REKAT KFF?

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Damon

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Bob,

I have a suggestion for your next project. I mean after you catch up with production demands of the Pioneers and Carnivour, and after the Talonite Carnivours, and after the Sifu, and after you train the pony.

Can you do a REKAT version of the Kasper Fighting Folder? Since you have worked with Pat Crawford on the Carnivour, maybe you can work with him on a production version of the KFF with a rolling lock.

I am sure there are many Bladeforum members who would be interested in this. If any members read this and are interested please post here and let Bob know.

Thanks,
Damon
 
Good luck on that. I talk to Pat at the show and asked about a rolling lock on the KFF. Pat said that Kasper likes the KFF as is. Unless something changes from yesterday, don't think it's going to happen.

BTW, Bob, I was told I look good with your hair.
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sing
 
sing is right. I just learned from Pat Crawford that he will not be making my Rolling lock KFF which I have had on order for six months. According to Pat, Bob Kasper doesn't like the position of the slide bar and feels that it can lead to accidental disengagements.

Axel
 
Strange Bob Kasper didn't mention that to me and we had a few talks. Oh well the Carnivore will have to do. I have tried to unlock the knife in various grips and in my opnion its a moot point less then a .01% chance of it happening. A lot more secure than a liner lock.

Bob

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Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints and escaping.
 
I think it's understandable on their part. The possibility of a lock failure with the natural grip was a real blow for me, even if only in theory, and the hammer grip just isn't quite the same.

Again, I think it's possible to make the slide release much safer if REKAT, say, made it smaller and flush to the handle so that the release can be operated only with the thumbnail. Imagine if the slide release was a smooth, rounded upright oval with a small circle etched into the middle to look like REKAT's logo? That'd be pretty neat.

Or, with some R&D, maybe they can come up with a lock release that's completely fool-proof. I'm not sure what REKAT can do exactly, but for years, I've proposed something like a reverse lockback as an example. Entrek proved that it can be done with the T-lock, which is basically the same idea I had in mind. Now, if someone will just come around and perfect the technology....

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SB,

Spyderco did exactly that -- they made the RL nob/button thinner and much more flushed with the handle. It's a beauty. Sal said they were still trying to refine a little more before it shows on the military. In fact, they didn't bring the RL Military because they were still working on it.

sing
 
Axel, that must be disappointing after a six month wait.

SB, I saw your review of the REKAT Carnivour. Very nice work.

With enough time effort and money any problem can be licked. Spyderco is testing and refining the lock as can be seen in comments on this thread. Maybe they will have a solution.

I think it would be a great idea to make a few training folders and send them out for a beta test. Looking at a KFF in a natural grip, I can see where the fingers would fall on the button of a rolling lock. Maybe we could go back to the old style release. The hand is nowhere near the release. I wonder if a rolling lock would unlock any more then a liner lock under combatives practice. The only way to learn is to send out a batch of each and get some feed back.

Sincerely,
Damon


 

Theroy and fact are a world apart when someone can demonstrate this happening I will think about a change change.
Spyderco is working on the rack and pinion system we have patented already.
The front lock did have it's advantages one being that the lock was removed from the handle but people didn't like the system and we changed it.
I have tried to accidently on purpose to unlock a Carnivore and it dosn't happen. Sal needed to use two hands to show me it was possible. "there Bob see with the knife positioned just so".
SB have you done it? or are you just theroizing? In theroy Bumble Bees can't fly I am glad they don't have a forum they would freak out and we wouldn't have honey.


Bob Taylor



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As I have stated before, I've never got it to fail. At most, I got it half-way down; only enough to give one a good scare, but not enough to disengage. Only way it is possible, as far as I can tell, is if the first finger is out of the way enough to fully expose the slide release.

Maybe I'm giving the wrong impression. The Carnivour, so far, is the closest thing I've ever seen to having the ideal conventional self-defense folder. And yes, I am theorizing. But even at half-way, I have to wonder if it's enough to give me that bad Murphy day. And again, just theorizing, I think if the slide release was modified just right, it could make this issue moot.

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SB
Before puttung the Carnivore into production it was tested and retested then tested again. I can't make it disengage almost, but it's not a frag genrade so that dosn't count.
I hear what your saying but, you fears are unfounded. I can make it so you need a pen or somthing to unlock the knife or a thumbnail. That simply isn't practical for the general public. Is any knife perfect? Spyderco is changing the Police model because of what I showed Sal a while back did I throw away my Police models hell no

Bob Taylor

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Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints and escaping.
 
I would be willing to give a Carnivour trainer a workout. I have a heavy bag which I have wrapped with a blanket to protect the surface. It has three padded arms, similar to a Wing Chun dummy. I use my KFF trainer on it to practice full power slashes and thrusts.

If the Carnivour trainer had a tip that was thick and blunt enough so that it wouldn't penetrate cloth, then I would love to give it a workout with various grips. I could keep track of the amount of time used in this impact training. If it held up well, I would be willing to buy the trainer and then get a sharp Carnivour. I would also post results to this forum.

I'm sure that Bob Taylor has no doubt as to the security of the Rolling lock/Slide bar, but independent testing would provide additional voices.

Axel

P.S. Bob I was very impressed by your TRS videos. I especially liked the wax bullet demos. Did Randy's ear heal up or does he look like Evander Holyfield now?

 

Axel Yup
I didn't bite his ear off I shot it. The weapons were Simunations which allow a Auto to function. Randy and I are going to do a follow up tape in the near future. Advanced Disarming and Weapons Rention. This time with out the legal BS. They tamed us down it should be out about Christmas time.
We are going to make a very short run of the Carnivore trainers. Late July or August the should be out.

Bob Taylor

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Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints and escaping.
 
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