Relationship between FMA and Baguazhang

[madmatter]

Hi, I have a question for those who are familiar with the movements of Bagua or train in it. I recently found out about and am interested in FMA, specifically Sayoc Kali and was wondering if anyone knew whether these worked with Bagua, were a compliment to it, or did not work at all. Any info would be much appreciated.

Matt

 

[Sidewinder]

Sayoc Kali is like adding a turbo charger to any martial art that you know or currently study. Many if not all of the Sayoc instructors are martial artists in other systems.

I don't see that Bagua should be any different. I have a friend that just started studying Sayoc Kali and has been a practitioner in Hsing-I Chuan. He seems to be doing fine...

I think the best thing to do is to find a certified Sayoc instructor and give it a try.


S.

 

[Sun Helmet]

We have some Sayoc Kali instructors who also do Bagua and they fit together quite well.

--Rafael--
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[Sundsvall]

IMO, the best things that FMA brings to a person are the qualities of continuous movement and speed which leads to heightened attributed sense of speed and sensitivity.

Additionally, there is a heighted sense of realism, even in prearranged training drills, because of the very real possibility of injury due to the nature of quickly moving rattan, hardwood, sharp and unsharpened aluminum or steel.

You find out who you are and who you are training with rather quickly in that environment.

 

[Peter_F]

Madmatter-

I've trained in bagua for the past several years, and have recently begun studying Sayoc.

I think they complement each other just fine. I see elements of single palm change all the time in the templates and drills that we do. Bagua's emphasis on footwork helps a lot as well in angling. I've really seen more similarities than differences, but it also helps to be open minded to other ways of doing things.

The main difference is that with Sayoc you are not learning a form per se, but rather spend the entire class working with a partner on the templates and drills.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

-Peter

 

[Sinan]

I have been a student of Sayoc Kali for the last seven years and a student of a non-classical Ba-Gua system for about three and one-half. I have been training over all for about twenty-three years. I find that the two systems complement each other quite well.

Sayoc Kali is the most street effective system I have ever run across. It is practical and tactically brilliant. It has effected not only my approach to Martial Arts but also to a myriad of other tactical situations that I have run across - including business dealings.

Sayoc Kali puts emphasis, among other things, on both strength and sensitivity. In the realms of sensitivity and power generation, I have found Ba-Gua to be remarkable, and thus, to compliment the Kali quite well.

I am fortunate that Tuhon Chris Sayoc is open to, and in fact encourages his student's explorations in other arts if they wish, so as to further their personal development and the development of the arts as a whole.

I expect to spend many years learning how to most effectively synthesize these two systems.

I will say, however, that Ba-Gua is so subtle that it takes many years to develop to a street effective level, whereas Sayoc, although equally sophisticated, is effective almost immediately. When the Ba-Gua gets to that point it can be devastating and it will be a welcome part of my arsenal. Nonetheless, I'm glad and extremely lucky to have Sayoc as my primary method of tactical analysis and physical security.

-Gordon