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RevDevil said:
It's getting might frigging old and tiresome too. I am starting to think that the original hiatus was not nearly long enough.
Some folks like to argue, just to argue, and when that happens and becomes the clear intent that is when the value of that person's contributions and even presence dries up. The funniest part is that as a wise man once said, those who know the least, know it the loudest. It could not be more evident here. Just because you state your position and sound of your voice gets louder, doesn't make your words truer, volume and repetition does not share a causal relationship with truth. Most get it, a few special ones never will.
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It takes at least two people to have an argument. Why single out one person?

If people don't like what others post, they, and you, are free to ignore them. As long as they aren't violating Bladeforums rules.

I'm not sure who you are referring to in the post above, but if a member is violating the posted forum rules, then punish them accordingly. And if a member is not violating the posted forum rules, then they should be free to post whatever they want without being publicly criticized by the moderators for doing so. Or am I wrong about that?

Just my opinion, based on observations in this thread and a thread in the Knife Laws forum, but I get the distinct impression that you and Esav have a personal dislike of RX-79G, and that you publicly express that dislike in the form of criticism, even when he hasn't violated any rules. Personally, I find that disturbing when moderators behave in such a manner.

And whose decision is it to leave this thread open and allow the "tiresome" arguing to continue?
 
If you have a problem with our moderating, address it in Tech Suuport, not a discussion forum.
 
killgar said:
It takes at least two people to have an argument. Why single out one person?

If people don't like what others post, they, and you, are free to ignore them. As long as they aren't violating Bladeforums rules.

I'm not sure who you are referring to in the post above, but if a member is violating the posted forum rules, then punish them accordingly. And if a member is not violating the posted forum rules, then they should be free to post whatever they want without being publicly criticized by the moderators for doing so. Or am I wrong about that?

Just my opinion, based on observations in this thread and a thread in the Knife Laws forum, but I get the distinct impression that you and Esav have a personal dislike of RX-79G, and that you publicly express that dislike in the form of criticism, even when he hasn't violated any rules. Personally, I find that disturbing when moderators behave in such a manner.

And whose decision is it to leave this thread open and allow the "tiresome" arguing to continue?
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Being a business, and private enterprise, and having never promised impartiality, they have the right to "bully" anyone they please, although I don't think that happens on a grand or organized scale. Some people just naturally dislike, or disagree with, other people. This isn't a court of law, any "oppressed" are free to go elsewhere or air their views here until such as time as they are removed and booted. "Just walk away". I do it all the time in here. Of COURSE there's favoritism, this is a tight community, and one that likes seeing years, not months, under ones belt. It's truly a "Good Old Boys' Network", for the most part, so what I do is light a cigar, pour a decent drink, and read. It'll soon become apparent who is "like minded" with you and whom isn't, with literally thousands of members, you'll find a few friends. It's like any other apple barrel, it has wormy ones, rotten ones, shiny red ones so bitter they'll curl your hair when you bite them. If you get a dud, throw it back.
 
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killgar said:
It takes at least two people to have an argument. Why single out one person?

If people don't like what others post, they, and you, are free to ignore them. As long as they aren't violating Bladeforums rules.

I'm not sure who you are referring to in the post above, but if a member is violating the posted forum rules, then punish them accordingly. And if a member is not violating the posted forum rules, then they should be free to post whatever they want without being publicly criticized by the moderators for doing so. Or am I wrong about that?

Just my opinion, based on observations in this thread and a thread in the Knife Laws forum, but I get the distinct impression that you and Esav have a personal dislike of RX-79G, and that you publicly express that dislike in the form of criticism, even when he hasn't violated any rules. Personally, I find that disturbing when moderators behave in such a manner.

And whose decision is it to leave this thread open and allow the "tiresome" arguing to continue?
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Perhaps look into the long history of this rx guy and his disputes with mods rather than basing your opinion on two ongoing threads.
 
I call them as I see them, when I see them. Like I said, that was my opinion, posted in a rather long thread, and not intended as a thread of it's own.

I thought my post was moved here because I wrongly posted it in a DISCUSSION forum. Is this also a discussion forum? I think it's ironic that this thread is now a discussion. :D

I wouldn't care if this thread gets locked, especially since I didn't start it. But if it's going to be left open for the sake of discussion, then I have to wonder why it was moved here, with the reason being that I wrongly posted it in a discussion forum.
 
kaotikross said:
Being a business, and private enterprise, and having never promised impartiality, they have the right to "bully" anyone they please, although I don't think that happens on a grand or organized scale. Some people just naturally dislike, or disagree with, other people. This isn't a court of law, any "oppressed" are free to go elsewhere or air their views here until such as time as they are removed and booted. "Just walk away". I do it all the time in here. Of COURSE there's favoritism, this is a tight community, and one that likes seeing years, not months, under ones belt. It's truly a "Good Old Boys' Network", for the most part, so what I do is light a cigar, pour a decent drink, and read. It'll soon become apparent who is "like minded" with you and whom isn't, with literally thousands of members, you'll find a few friends. It's like any other apple barrel, it has wormy ones, rotten ones, shiny red ones so bitter they'll curl your hair when you bite them. If you get a dud, throw it back.
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As far as I'm concerned the moderators can do whatever they like, I don't own this forum or have any say over how it's run. But as long as I'm here I'm inclined to express my opinions, even opinions on the actions of moderators.

And if I don't like what I see on this forum, I'm always free to leave. It's good to have options.

But I'm not planning on going anywhere. You guys are stuck with me (at least for now) ;).
 
killgar, if someone posted a question about Jackalope Knives' new blade steel where you posted this post of yours, I would have moved it also. You posted in a thread already deteriorating with bad feeling. What you posted was not part of that discussion -- something that Bladeforums already has a place for.
 
Killgar,

This is not the first time some version of this has been brought up by you, me or several other people, and it has been addressed off line. This place is the way it is and isn't going to change.

Mods have opinions about stuff just like everyone else, it's just that they also have powers no one else does. You are best off getting whatever you want out of the forum while you're here and not worrying about what you or anyone else should be doing. If you are one of those persons that tends to get noticed, you'll either grow bored with the place or get banned. It doesn't have to be a big deal.
 
killgar said:
It takes at least two people to have an argument. Why single out one person?
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Yes it does, it also takes 2 people to have a reasonable dialogue. Regarding my post, what concern is it of yours? What horse do you have in this race if I may ask?

If people don't like what others post, they, and you, are free to ignore them. As long as they aren't violating Bladeforums rules.
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That is not exactly how it works for any moderator/member of any forum. We (you are included here) do ignore some things as members, but there are other things that need to be stated, Spark put us here to provide direction and assistance, and when we do and it doesn't stick we don't usually go away. As a member here it's not my place to make people think a certain way about a topic, or tell them how wrong they are when they disagree with me on said topic, when we talk facts that will stand up on it's own with no help required. When we talk about behaviors (being Agent provocateur) that is something all together different.

I'm not sure who you are referring to in the post above, but if a member is violating the posted forum rules, then punish them accordingly. And if a member is not violating the posted forum rules, then they should be free to post whatever they want without being publicly criticized by the moderators for doing so. Or am I wrong about that?
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You seemed to be sure at the start to whom I was referring to. It's not about punishment being on or off, I'm well aware of how the forum works, someone with a tenure as long as yours should also understand the way things work. Some people on the forum, do in fact enjoy arguing moot points simply to argue for page after page after page. There is a distinct possibility that they are unaware they are doing it too. They cannot conceive that there may be a possibility that they are incorrect and will try and talk their way through the mess rather than just admitting error and moving on with some humility.

Just my opinion, based on observations in this thread and a thread in the Knife Laws forum, but I get the distinct impression that you and Esav have a personal dislike of RX-79G, and that you publicly express that dislike in the form of criticism, even when he hasn't violated any rules. Personally, I find that disturbing when moderators behave in such a manner.

And whose decision is it to leave this thread open and allow the "tiresome" arguing to continue?
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I thank you for sharing your opinion, even if it is incomplete to a great extent. Make no mistake, there is no "personal" involved here in the least. I really don't think that what your observations have led you to believe should be trusted as you have extrapolated quite a lot from very little. You are looking at a sample size of 2 and making very conclusive statements that are, incorrect. There is some context that is missing from your perspective that could help make your position much more complete, the nature of which is between the moderator and the member in question. That is my opinion.
 
RX-79G said:
Killgar,

This is not the first time some version of this has been brought up by you, me or several other people, and it has been addressed off line. This place is the way it is and isn't going to change.

Mods have opinions about stuff just like everyone else, it's just that they also have powers no one else does. You are best off getting whatever you want out of the forum while you're here and not worrying about what you or anyone else should be doing. If you are one of those persons that tends to get noticed, you'll either grow bored with the place or get banned. It doesn't have to be a big deal.
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Oh stop. Members "get noticed" by the mods because they are a pain. Not because they have a strong opinion. Not because the mods are biased. And not because there is some vast moderator conspiracy to give certain people special treatment.
 
marcinek said:
Oh stop. Members "get noticed" by the mods because they are a pain. Not because they have a strong opinion. Not because the mods are biased. And not because there is some vast moderator conspiracy to give certain people special treatment.
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I posted a thread last week that went three pages, was generally well enjoyed and had zero acrimony. Well, I guess not zero:

marcinek said:
Oh, craytab...you are missing the point entirely. No doubt deliberately so you can continue your endless bickering.

You see, by presenting this "do everything" premise with no initial conditions, and eliciting responses from people to state their opinions/preferences, then one can pick any of the innumerable things that a knife might do, point out that the blade shape someone prefers does not do that well, and prove their opinion/preference wrong!

It's fun!

I'll toss out some examples for folks to use:

"But you wouldn't be able to cape a Kitti's hog-nosed bat with that. Not a "do everything" shape. Your opinion is wrong."
"Good luck stabbing through a 55 gallon oil drum with that! Not a "do everything" shape. Your opinion is wrong."
"Try making waffle fries with that! Not a "do everything" shape. Your opinion is wrong."

I, for one am enjoying the way the thread is going, and if you dont have a blade shape to add, please stay in W&C. Good day.
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Everyone had the good graces to ignore you. As I've been instructed, I reported your sarcastic, trolling post. So please tell everyone what sort of moderator feedback you got from this.


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ot-do-everything-quot-fixed-blade-shape/page2
 
RX-79G said:
Everyone had the good graces to ignore you. As I've been instructed, I reported your sarcastic, trolling post. So please tell everyone what sort of moderator feedback you got from this.


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ot-do-everything-quot-fixed-blade-shape/page2
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Feel free to ask the mods what feedback they decided to give me. I consider any private messages from them private. If they would like me to tell you what kind of feedback I recieved, I will be glad to provide that information in its entirety.
 
It was a good example of how you start most of your threads, sarcasm can often be the best way to make a valid point as it shows the absurdity of the situation.
 
KingMC said:
It was a good example of how you start most of your threads, sarcasm can often be the best way to make a valid point as it shows the absurdity of the situation.
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The thread was a good thread that you, among quite a few others, participated in without anybody (except maybe Craytab) arguing about anything. Most people got and liked the topic, posted their happy thoughts about said topic and added some pretty pictures to boot.


So if there is something grossly wrong with the way I start threads, and it needs non-Moderator commentary because it is so bad, I'm a little confused why that one went 83 posts without a single hitch.

It is almost as if the difference wasn't me...
 
RX-79G said:
Exactly. Some people's bad behavior is just "different" than others.



As I said earlier, this forum is not going to change anytime soon.
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Unfortunately, you quoted my post before I thought better of it. That's my bad.

But, no, I got none.

Guess what..if you report something, and nothing happens, that means you were incorrect or overzealous to report it. Not that the mods have something against you or there is some conspiracy to give others special treatment.

You feel that there is, and, clearly, there is no changing that. Its certainly your prerogative to feel that way.

But, I do feel that it discredits the excellent job the moderator staff here does.

Good day. I'm out.
 
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