replacement for my native?

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I recently lost my spyderco native. absolutely loved it. particularly liked the cpm s30v, the way it fit in my hand, and the low profile (physically and visually). with that being said though, I need to get another knife. I was wanting another native, but was wondering if you guys had any in particular you prefer. I'm a huge fan of spyderco, but open to other brands. If I had one thing I would change abou the native, I would like a flat grind, but not the end of the world. just lookin for opinions
 
get another native and have it flat ground by tom krein, he has countless pleased customers. All knives leave his shop stupid sharp.
 
Get a Caly 3 or UKPK. Full flat grind, light, and cuts like a friggin laser.
 
I was really considering the caly. i was wondering though about the vg 10. how does it compare to the cpm s30v, and is it worth upgrading to the zdp 189 blade? another consideration (mainly on cost) was the tenacious. wasn't sure about the steel though.
 
VG10 is a perfectly good blade steel. I have both the caly 3 and UKPK - both have the same performance. Personally I like the UKPK more because it's lighter and it does use the s30v if you want that.
 
I have and love the Native, but I recommend the Benchmade mini-griptilian if you don't have one. That's what I EDC every day now, over my Native.

I got mine for around $55 from gpknives.com
 
A PE S30V Native is my favorite EDC as well and I've been carrying one for the past nine years (started w/ a serrated version with GIN1 steel). I've get a half dozen or so knives in my EDC rotation but the Native is my goto knife. I'd get another Native if I ever lost mine before I purchased another knife.
 
joeslat said:
I was really considering the caly. i was wondering though about the vg 10. how does it compare to the cpm s30v, and is it worth upgrading to the zdp 189 blade? another consideration (mainly on cost) was the tenacious. wasn't sure about the steel though.
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VG10 will grind more easily during sharpening and lose an edge more quickly during use, compared to S30V. ZDP189 will do just the opposite, being a little better at edge holding than S30V. The Tenacious' steel, 8Cr13MoV, will hold an edge a little worse than the VG10.

I'd recommend the UK Pen Knife if you can live without the lock. The design works well with the slipjoint since the choil keeps the blade from closing on your fingers.

If you can find one, there are still ZDP Calypso Jr's floating around. Or if you don't mind spending the money, the CF / ZDP189 Calypso 3 is even better.

The Sage is another to look at. I haven't handled one, but it looks similar to the Native and has S30V with carbon fiber handles.

Or if none of these appeal to you as much as the Native, the suggestion to send one to Tom Krein if you aren't comfortable flat grinding it yourself is a good one.
 
I would wait on the Sage. Sal Glesser says there will be a framelock (technically the Reeve Integral Lock) version coming next year.
 
what are your thoughts on the caly 3 with the carbon fiber handle? hows the grip? if it's just for the weight, I could do without, although i would like the zdp 189.
 
loved the s30v for the fact that i only sharpened it about once a month on normal use. would like a blade with comprable edge retention. not a fan of frame locks either, although i haven't used them much. what are your thoughts?
 
Just get the caly 3 in G10. The VG10 steel is very good. The only real difference is maybe you'll sharpen it 16 times a year rather than 12 times a year with your Native.

The price is $100 and it's a bargain.
 
joeslat said:
I was really considering the caly. i was wondering though about the vg 10. how does it compare to the cpm s30v, and is it worth upgrading to the zdp 189 blade? another consideration (mainly on cost) was the tenacious. wasn't sure about the steel though.
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Yes. Here's why: VG 10 is a perfectly nice steel, I actually like it quite a bit.

But, you'll love the Caly 3 so much that you'll wish you upgraded to the higher end steel, and continually try to justify buying a second one to yourself.

If you just spend the extra cash in the beginning, you won't have to buy a duplicate knife! Unless, you know, you're into that.

(Said the guy with more than four mini griptilians.)
 
If you like the economy of the native, the Tenacious is a good choice. VG-10 is of course superior, but the Tenacious is just killer in the "bang for your buck" category. Little bigger and more noticable than your Native was, but pretty nice for EDC
 
I can't believe that anyone would consider the Sage. It makes me cringe in disgust. Take everything and give nothing. It is sickening. When I write on these forums, it comes from my heart, with research. I TAKE nothing. I give, and I have expectation.

To the OP: You were/are onto something with the Native. It is the best bang for the buck on the market, taking advantage of nobody. It is simple and pure. Sure, it is not the most technological whiz-bang knife on the market. It is simple and functional, while still being high end, and inexpensive. You could hardly ask for more without getting into a "too good to be true" situation. This is physical (as in the product) and the idea as it is brought into production (as in the humans involved in the overall production & compensation taking hand). There are questions unthought, questions avoided, and there are lies. There are selfish people who have an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude. At best they are rolling the dice, and at worst they are flushing a stable market down the toilet.

When you buy USA made, there is an honesty that I'd like to say can't be bought, but that is not the truth. There is an honesty which is unavoidable. Usually you PAY for that. This honesty is undeniable. Think about what you buy, and make a choice based on your expectation of yourself. Bet for the "home" team. I can guarantee you will win, and also walk out feeling good about yourself. What more can you ask?

I recommend a Griptilian to change things up for yourself. If you loved that Native, perhaps get another. I know I'd buy another if I lost mine!

What anyone who recommends a Chinese, Taiwan or even Japanese or German made knife probably does not even have the capacity to understand is that we are ALL part of this. "Out of sight, out of mind" does not even come int play when you only see yourself! EVERY PENNY we spend takes part in funding ACTION. Knives have a STABLE USA made market. Every time a single individual options to buy an outsourced product, we add water to the tank that will flush an affordable USA made product down the toilet. We'd all like to be able to afford USA made all the time, RIGHT??? So stop pushing it further and further away. The "tank" is filling up. Your finger is on the trigger. Do as you will.
 
Archieblue,
I understand your patriotism but in my opinion, I prefer to buy products that I think are superior for the price, no matter if they are from foreign origin.
Japanese-made products like the Caly 3, or most Mcustas and Mokis are absolutely excellent in every way. Their quality is such that they deserve to succeed in the market place. It would be sad and short sighted not to choose them only because of the country of origin.
Branching outside the world of knives, two more counterexamples:
- an iphone is made in china yet it's a marvelous product. (in fact I think that all mobile phones are made in far away)
- This will probably get me flamed but I dare say that every time I was in an American car during my business trips, it struck me (and all my colleagues and friends) how very, very inferior they are compared to German cars.
 
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