Rescued from the "dog pound".

[KnifeHead]

Actually it was a collectible shop but I swear they were barking "save me! take me home!"

3 7/8" Hibbard Spencer & Bartlett Premium(Serpentine) Stockman 163. It has celluloid handles(I'd call it robot puke) and they are in perfect shape, no cracks or deterioration. I didn't notice and Tony pointed out that it also has white liners, which was apparently common on celluloid handled knives. The blades are pitted a bit but still full. The spey blade looks like it has never been sharpened and is still sharp. The master clip and punch have normal use wear and all the blades work nicely. Does anyone know who holds the patent on the spiral punch? I'd like to know which knife company made this knife for HS&B.

http://knifehead.com/images/hsb/hsbprestockpunch1.jpg
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4 1/4" New York Knife Company(Walden) Regular Jack Hammer Brand. The knife works well and looks pretty good for it's age except for the pen blade. It was ground(swedged) at the factory very thin in the area of the nail nick and something was done (pryed, hammered, or other non knife friendly activity) that caused breakage. Someone tried to repair that area with silver solder. The Hammer Brand mark is on the pile side of the pen blade. Also, the pen blade has and extension spring that fills the space left by the shorter pen blade

NY Knife Co. Walden, NY was in business from 1852 to 1931, a victim of The Depression.

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4 1/4" New York Knife Company(Walden) Lockback ?(non-Hammer Brand). This one is in really good shape but looks like it has been cleaned/buffed. The grind lines have been softened a bit on the blade but it is beautiful in every other way. Knife works great and is a nice example of an older NYKC knife. Does anyone know what this pattern is called?

http://knifehead.com/images/nyknifeco/nyknifecolockbk1.jpg
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4" Winchester Texas Jack 2982. Blades are full and work great. Normal wear for a knife this old and not abused. I'm still seaching to find approximate age of this knife...early 1900's?

http://knifehead.com/images/winchester/winchestertexasjack1.jpg
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[sunnyd]

Wow Kerry they are all very sweet finds but, that Winchester Texas Jack is my favorite without question. I love everything about it, long pull on the master blade, and what appears to be filed liners, old tang stamp and the sweeeeet honeybone scales!.. Good summer harvest on this bunch, that's for sure.

 

[smiling-knife]

Very nice Kerry. The last three all have great bone scales. I agree with sunnyd, the Winchester is a real beauty. The cell handle HSB is still in very good shape too... no sign of shrinkage. Not a 'dog' in the lot.

 

[synthesist]

I needa hit THAT shop one of these days. That sprearpoint lockback is gigorgeous.

Great save......................

I can hear them saying, " Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeee over here. Buy me buy me."

Syn

 

[kamagong]

That Winchester is nice. I wonder why companies no longer offer that beautiful handle material for knives.

 

[Arathol]

I'd guess that the HSB was made by Camillus. It looks just like their #66 3 7/8" serpentine model, right down to the lines on the bolsters, and that same spiral punch can be found on many old Camillus knives.

 

[Amos Iron Wolf]

Absolutely correct that you should have saved those poor things. Very noble of you to give them a home. Poor, homely hounds.

Great lookers all. I'll have to join in the "the Winchester is my favorite" faction.

 

[navihawk]

Unbelievable find.The second NYK gets my vote....no wait,the Winchester.... I love the awl blade on the HS&B too.

 

[Sword and Shield]

I'd guess that the HSB was made by Camillus. It looks just like their #66 3 7/8" serpentine model, right down to the lines on the bolsters, and that same spiral punch can be found on many old Camillus knives.

I'd say NYK. Looks just like the punch on their Scout knives.

 

[Durwood]

Not trying to sound overly suspicious Kerry, but that looks a little toooo much like Fight'n Rooster New Christmas celluloid on the HSB and Frank was knowed to sell a bit of it. And again, no offense, but the handle condition doesn't fit the knife...neat pattern though.

 

[Arathol]

I'd say NYK. Looks just like the punch on their Scout knives

Maybe so, but HSB knives were made under contract from other manufacturers, and one of the bigger contracts was Camillus. While NYK almost certainly made knives for HSB, I think that NYK was long out of business when this knife was made. The spiral cut Fuller punch used by NYK was not the same as the Spiral used by Camillus, the one pictured is the later design used by Camillus.

 

[waynorth]

Maybe so, but HSB knives were made under contract from other manufacturers, and one of the bigger contracts was Camillus. While NYK almost certainly made knives for HSB, I think that NYK was long out of business when this knife was made. The spiral cut Fuller punch used by NYK was not the same as the Spiral used by Camillus, the one pictured is the later design used by Camillus.

I agree absolutely. The New York spiral punch is different. It has a laminated (two piece) tang. This knife here is a Camillus through and through!
I have seen that "Christmas Tree" pattern celluloid on old Schrade Cut Co knives from way before Frank Buster, and with no shrinkage!. Could easily be Camillus originally-installed handles on that knife, but I'd want to look inside. Were the liners cleaned/polished, Kerry?
Nice bunch of knives!! You must have a secret source!!

 

[Mike Robuck]

Those are some great finds, Kerry. Those old knives can be addicting.

I love the bone and shields on the NYK Co. knives. There's some interesting history on Winchester in Levine's Fourth edition if you haven't already read it.

 

[KnifeHead]

I agree absolutely. The New York spiral punch is different. It has a laminated (two piece) tang. This knife here is a Camillus through and through!
I have seen that "Christmas Tree" pattern celluloid on old Schrade Cut Co knives from way before Frank Buster, and with no shrinkage!. Could easily be Camillus originally-installed handles on that knife, but I'd want to look inside. Were the liners cleaned/polished, Kerry?
Nice bunch of knives!! You must have a secret source!!

After chicken eyein the liners with all the blades opened(and the dang spey blade gettin me pretty good on my left thumb ), it looks to me like the liners are potentially cleaner and may not match up with the age of the blades judging from the amount of pitting/patina. If someone doodled around with the handles, they did a good job. Celluloid isn't forgiving material to work, sand, drill, etc. The pivot pins are cleanly meshed with the bolsters and the handle pins, although not as good as I would do would be excellent for a wouldbe hacker....so kudos to whoever worked on it. It's possibly an honest repair too. It was priced right so nobody's hurt.:thumbup:

 

[KnifeHead]

Those are some great finds, Kerry. Those old knives can be addicting.

I love the bone and shields on the NYK Co. knives. There's some interesting history on Winchester in Levine's Fourth edition if you haven't already read it.

Thanks for the tip Mike. I'll give it a read when I get my hands on it.

 

[KnifeHead]

That Winchester is nice. I wonder why companies no longer offer that beautiful handle material for knives.

The bone on these knives were most likely hand jigged which doesn't happen on production knives these days, that I am aware of. Also, the method used to dye bone back then didn't have to meet stringent environmental guidelines like today. Speculation on my part, but those are a couple of reasons I could think of that makes a big difference. That said, if we give todays bone 60 or 70 years time to mellow, they might look as good as these.

 

[RandyW]

Nice stuff KMAN!!!