Results: Sharpening at my first Gun & Knife Show

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Well, here's how it went down:

I charged $1 per inch, $2 per inch for serrated. Business was slow last night (from 5 til 9... only did $50 or so) and busy busy busy today (from 9 til 5 did $200, maybe more, not sure). Most of my business I drummed up by asking passersby "What kind of knife are you carrying today?" or something like that. Then I asked to see it and test the edge on a piece of 20# printer paper. Most wanted me to sharpen for them. Once I got started sharpening, then people would stand and watch and a little line would form. No one has ever seen a rig like mine, and people are curious. I didn't get to go to the bathroom all day, and barely had time to eat the pb&j sandwiches I made for work grub. I made sure not to drink anything except some tiny sips of water so I could stay at the helm.

Anyway it was steady. I didn't make as much money as I thought I would, but still made some money. But I think some guy might have snagged a little from my cash drawer while I was sharpening... some dude with cerebral palsy (or pretending) that went behind my station and was fumbling around over there while I was sharpening his knife... after I sharpened it he paid me and then asked me to help him and give him money... I gave him the $2 back and said consider his knife sharpened for free but he wanted more. After he went away I counted the till and it seemed short... I don't know... can't remember what time it was and business was so fast it was a blur. Oh well who knows. But at the end of the day, whether he had robbed me a little or not, I had $200 more than I started with, so I at least made that much for the day (and did about $50 on Friday night, which covered the cost of the booth rental).

I used some of the suggestions you guys gave me... I had a little display set up with paper and a knife and a sign "How sharp is your knife?" and a couple of signs explaining prices. I also had on the sign "Band-aids for $1" and people got a kick out of that. I checked the edges before and after by slicing the paper, and that seemed to work well for people. Most people thanked me, several people gave me $ tips, and almost everyone said, "Whoa" or "Dang" when I got done with their knife. One of the other dealers is trying to setup another gun&knife show in a nearby town and told me he wants me to come be a part of it; I thought that was nice (I repaired and sharpened an old Case hunting knife for him).

I tried to time my setup and shoot for 1 minute per inch of blade, but I was a bit slower than that on a lot of them. If it was a thin blade of medium steel or didn't need a whole lot of work, no problem. But quite a few knives were extra hard or needed a lot of steel removed, and it took more time than I wanted. I suppose I could speed up my stones a little... right now they're probably around 100 to 120 rpms. I don't want to sling water, though.

Sharpened a lot of knives today though. Mostly Kershaw, Gerber, and older Case knives. The Kershaw and Gerber knives I know are from the Walmart crowd most likely. The older Case knives (the ones that are black, handmedowns and gifts from dad and gramps) a lot of them had HARD steel, not all, but quite a few were HARD and took a long time to grind down. Did some Bucks and a few Benchmades. Nothing else really stands out as being "a lot" of them. A Cold Steel or two, a couple Kabars, some S&W, one JA Henckels Chef's Knife (nice blade on that one, good steel I think). Did one Kershaw S30V Blur with a request for a convex edge; that was nice knife I thought, too. Did a handful of Bokers last night, but none today.

All in all I had a lot of fun, made a little money, met a lot of people, made a few business contacts, and my wife had a pot roast waiting for me when I got home.

But after sharpening around 100 knives, my left index finger has informed me I need a different way to check for the burr.
Well, here's how it went down:

I charged $1 per inch, $2 per inch for serrated. Business was slow last night (from 5 til 9... only did $50 or so) and busy busy busy today (from 9 til 5 did $200, maybe more, not sure). Most of my business I drummed up by asking passersby "What kind of knife are you carrying today?" or something like that. Then I asked to see it and test the edge on a piece of 20# printer paper. Most wanted me to sharpen for them. Once I got started sharpening, then people would stand and watch and a little line would form. No one has ever seen a rig like mine, and people are curious. I didn't get to go to the bathroom all day, and barely had time to eat the pb&j sandwiches I made for work grub. I made sure not to drink anything except some tiny sips of water so I could stay at the helm.

Anyway it was steady. I didn't make as much money as I thought I would, but still made some money. But I think some guy might have snagged a little from my cash drawer while I was sharpening... some dude with cerebral palsy (or pretending) that went behind my station and was fumbling around over there while I was sharpening his knife... after I sharpened it he paid me and then asked me to help him and give him money... I gave him the $2 back and said consider his knife sharpened for free but he wanted more. After he went away I counted the till and it seemed short... I don't know... can't remember what time it was and business was so fast it was a blur. Oh well who knows. But at the end of the day, whether he had robbed me a little or not, I had $200 more than I started with, so I at least made that much for the day (and did about $50 on Friday night, which covered the cost of the booth rental).

I used some of the suggestions you guys gave me... I had a little display set up with paper and a knife and a sign "How sharp is your knife?" and a couple of signs explaining prices. I also had on the sign "Band-aids for $1" and people got a kick out of that. I checked the edges before and after by slicing the paper, and that seemed to work well for people. Most people thanked me, several people gave me $ tips, and almost everyone said, "Whoa" or "Dang" when I got done with their knife. One of the other dealers is trying to setup another gun&knife show in a nearby town and told me he wants me to come be a part of it; I thought that was nice (I repaired and sharpened an old Case hunting knife for him).

I tried to time my setup and shoot for 1 minute per inch of blade, but I was a bit slower than that on a lot of them. If it was a thin blade of medium steel or didn't need a whole lot of work, no problem. But quite a few knives were extra hard or needed a lot of steel removed, and it took more time than I wanted. I suppose I could speed up my stones a little... right now they're probably around 100 to 120 rpms. I don't want to sling water, though.

Sharpened a lot of knives today though. Mostly Kershaw, Gerber, and older Case knives. The Kershaw and Gerber knives I know are from the Walmart crowd most likely. The older Case knives (the ones that are black, handmedowns and gifts from dad and gramps) a lot of them had HARD steel, not all, but quite a few were HARD and took a long time to grind down. Did some Bucks and a few Benchmades. Nothing else really stands out as being "a lot" of them. A Cold Steel or two, a couple Kabars, some S&W, one JA Henckels Chef's Knife (nice blade on that one, good steel I think). Did one Kershaw S30V Blur with a request for a convex edge; that was nice knife I thought, too. Did a handful of Bokers last night, but none today.

All in all I had a lot of fun, made a little money, met a lot of people, made a few business contacts, and my wife had a pot roast waiting for me when I got home.

But after sharpening around 100 knives, my left index finger has informed me I need a different way to check for the burr.
 
Here was my setup:
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Very cool setup, most important part is that you had fun :) I always like to go talk to the guy that sharpens at my local show. He has a bin of beat to hell knives that he sells for $2 each, that helps him draw people in so he can strike up a conversation. Are you planning on doing it again?
 
Yeah, I think I want to do it again. It was kinda hard work, but I enjoyed it. If I could do it regular, say every other weekend or something, it would be helpful financially too. Got a kid on the way and need the extra dough, you know? I've got to find out the "circuit" of the shows in my area. Tupelo has one every other month. That leaves a lot of weekends open for other shows. Memphis may have some...
 
That's a good idea! I nice way to make a little extra money for the new little one coming. Best of luck with your new side business:thumbup:
 
Where did you get your water wheels? I've been looking into setting up a large grind wheel.
 
Where did you get your water wheels? I've been looking into setting up a large grind wheel.

I think Amazon. Well, the 120 is just a cheapo from Harbor freight. The 3 wheel set up though is the good wheels... a Tormek 220, and then 2 King waterstone wheels of 800# and 4000#. I had looked into buying a Tormek system, but decided to build my own instead with 3 wheels rather than just one. It works.
 
Love your water wheel setup.... a lot of advantages in what you did there. :thumbup:

Just outta curiosity, it looks like you took a variety of equipment, did you use it all, or would you reduce what you take next time?

Congrats.... sounds like it went pretty good.
 
Very cool. 1 dollar per inch is really cheap. I think id charge like x amount for any blades under 5 inches and then 1 dollar per inch. Good work and awesome set up btw.
 
Yeah, I think I want to do it again. It was kinda hard work, but I enjoyed it. If I could do it regular, say every other weekend or something, it would be helpful financially too. Got a kid on the way and need the extra dough, you know? I've got to find out the "circuit" of the shows in my area. Tupelo has one every other month. That leaves a lot of weekends open for other shows. Memphis may have some...

You need to get one of those fanny packs. the ones that go around your waist so you can keep your money in it and that way you can't be ripped off by someone helping them self’s in your drawer.
 
I'm very new around here, but I wanted to congratulate you in the win! Your setup looks extremely well thought out (although have you considered adding water shields to the back half of the stones? You can speed them up and not give your audience a bath lol).

I enjoyed reading your experience probably as much as you enjoyed bein there and doing it!

I hope that one day I might be able to enlist your services.

Take it easy and if it's easy take it at least twice!

-Russ
 
Love your water wheel setup.... a lot of advantages in what you did there. :thumbup:

Just outta curiosity, it looks like you took a variety of equipment, did you use it all, or would you reduce what you take next time?

Congrats.... sounds like it went pretty good.



I did not use all the equipment that I took... I only used my waterwheels, paper wheel and leather wheel, and viel belt sander with leather belt. The other equipment I took was DMT diamond and ceramic rods for sharpening karambits and other things with inside curves (no need for them this time). And I took my normal japanese waterstones for sharpening straight razors, but did not use them either. Also, I had no requests for custom bevels (just the one convex request) and everyone was happy with the 40* V Edge. Most knives I buffed out to 6k or 8k (whatever tormeks honing paste is) but knives that they were planning to skin with I left at 4000# just deburred them. Still polished enough to shave, but toothy enough to hold an edge a good while and do some aggressive cutting.

That's a good idea on the money fanny pack. I'll have to look into that!
 
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+1 on the fanny pack for your money.
What are the orange tipped doohickies
on the grinding wheels? By the way, nice setup.
Bill
 
The "orange doohickies" appear to be used to help align blades offset to the centerline of the stone at the right height so he gets the proper angle. Excellent looking setup BTW.
 
The fanny pack is if someone tries to steal your money then you just chop of their hand. When I was doing the gun and knife shows I was set up by a very big ammo dealer and all of his people had them so they could walk around and know the money was not going to disappear on them. I always used my shirt pocket and pants pocket. If you turn your back someone always tries to rip you off.
 
Your setup is awesome!

Would you mind posting a pic of the motor and the drive setup? [I'm guessing] its a belt and possible a gear setup? Is it 1:1? How do you control the speed, electrically regulating the motor or mechanically changing the ratio?

Did I mention awesome setup! Glad you enjoyed yourself and making a little extra money is always good, with your first kid on the way just wait till this time next year- talk about being broke, you'll go back to wishing Santa was real immediately lol.
 
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Can't get to the rig right now to take more pictures (came down with the flu saturday night and the rig is still in my truck). But you can sort of see it in one of the pictures... the fourth one... it's an old bodine motor with a speed reducer, and the drive pulley on the motor is smaller than the the drive pulley on the axle, to increase torque and decrease speed. It's just a little motor... 1/70 hp and .6 amps... but it pulls the stones fine. I give 'em a shove as I turn the switch on so there's not all that startup torque.
 
Thanks for sharing your sharpening experience and pictures. Looks awesome! I really like the rotating stone setup, but isn't the Viel belt grinder just as effective?
 
Thanks for sharing your sharpening experience and pictures. Looks awesome! I really like the rotating stone setup, but isn't the Viel belt grinder just as effective?

The belt grinder does work, and does a good job, however there are two main issues with a belt grinder:

First, you have to change belts from coarse to fine to finer to finest if you're gonna put a good edge on a knife, and that's just a pain and kinda slow to be changing belts a lot. Back when I used to use it as a stand alone sharpener, I tended to rely on the 40micron belt (500 grit) and then go straight to a leather belt. It put a good utility edge on it, but its no 4000 grit waterstone! The belts wear out, and they are kind of expensive for the kind I like. I used the 3M belts... those are really good, but they don't really last very long.

Second, if you have to do any heavier grinding, you run the risk of burning the blade, so you have to keep a cup of water nearby to dip the blade in every couple of passes to keep the blade cool... it works, but its cumbersome and again just not as effective as the waterstones.

I'll add as a third issue that the belt grinder is a faster grinder, which can be good, but can also be bad... since it works so fast, you can easily take off too much steel... the speed also makes keeping precise angles kinda difficult, too. All in all the slower waterstones don't burn the blade, are easy to use at precise angles, don't remove steel so fast that you might take off too much, and I don't have to change belts all the time.

I suppose if you had a setup of a few belt grinders set up with coarse, fine, finer... where you didn't have to change belts so much, you could have a decent setup. You know, those $40 30inch belt grinders they sell at Harbor Freight? Set a few of those up, each one with a different grit, and you'd have a fast setup... zip, zip, zip, deburr and you're done. I thought about it, but really wanted to build the waterstone setup and give it a go... belts work fine, but I think I like the stones better. Of course, you could build a custom setup with a slower gear ratio instead of direct driving the belts at 1825rpms or 3450rpms... but you're getting into a lot of machining and metalworking to make it practical, where you can easily swap the old belts out... I'm okay with wood, but I don't machine metal parts (though I wish I could).

I'm signed up for my second gun&knife show January 10-11. I need to sign up for some others now that the holidays are pretty much over...
 
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