Review-Greg Alland Seminar--Knife Training Highlights

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I had the opportunity to train with Greg Alland last night because he came to the school I train at and gave a seminar. Greg covered all kinds of things, drills, sparring, disarms, Segitas and Knife. I am only going to highlight the knife training.

Greg emphasized putting your body into each of your knife attacks. I know this is a common martial principle but I can tend to get lazy on this. We practiced this.

He breifly reviewed the C and O's and how no one can defend against your C and O's.

He showed a really cool move he learned in the Philipines where you can be from a distance and lunge a knife into an attacker. I would think this would be very effective if you had multiple attackers. It is a way to extend your reach by several feet.

We practiced the footwork and Greg told us how a Filipino warrior using the footwork fought up to 12 attackers.

Greg taught us that disarms are foolish against a knife, he said that someone with a knife will never give up their knife and if you dont have a knife the smartest thing is to try to deflect their arm if it is coming at you and run. If you have a weapon you cut the attacking arm and try to get off as many stabs/slashes as you possibly can to stop the guy.

He also talked about grabbing the knife and he said that once you have been cut, you will grab the knife to stop it from coming at you. I thought I'd add this bit of reality that Greg added to the discussion phase of what he was showing us because I had never given thought to this before, or that I might do it to defend myself.

He mentioned how some guys who go looking for a knife fight might be wearing a leather brace with spikes in case they are grabbed. I never heard of a brace with spikes so I thought I'd mention this cause it sounded a bit wild.

Greg showed how to hold a double edged sword--he showed us with a kris.

He also showed a way to stab which rips through the body as opposed to just sending in straight stabs.

Greg covered more and we practiced more, but this is what sticks most in my mind.

Greg also encouraged us to take the moves that we liked and are most comfortable with from the system and make them our own. He told us that we are not to look like him that we will end up with our own style.

Greg also announced that he will be bringing Nene Tortal from the Philippines to do a series of seminars here in the States. Greg also will be coming out with four more tapes and one of the tapes will be on the Segitas that he showed us at this seminar.


 
Donna, sounds like great fun.

Re: Bracer w/ spikes. Most people don't think of them at all except as punk rock but folks in kung fu and WMA use them. A lot think of the defensive use but there's some offensive stuff as well, that's another post.

Some expansion. Look at a spike dog collar or a woman's thick leather choker/spiked collar. Or a monk's beads around the wrist and neck. Suddenly, the wrist and neck have some armor against cuts.

So next time, first lady of the forums.
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You can justify wearing a thigh sheathed knife with leather gauntlets and neck collar at a night club or Vampire Gerbil's place, whatever.
 
Smoke,
I do tend to like a more sophisticated, feminine look. As cool as the gauntlet sounds--which by the way thanks for the info on--it just is not my style. This is not to say that I somehow cannot come up with a sophisticated, feminine, covert version of one.

BTW, Greg is a lot of fun to train with. I love his eccentricity and every time he shows a demo which would end in the opponents demise he chuckles and while he is chucking he says "Now this is Kali." I like what he said another time when he told us that when the guy is on the ground and doesn' t know what just hit him, that is Kali.

My first instructor talked about the art as being a reactionary art. Basically, if we are attacked/threatened from someone with a weapon, at the initiation of their one attack we go off like a cuisenart (I am using Don Rearic's term here) and give them five(Greg Alland's no.) for their one and they dont know what hit them and we walk away the survivor. Each scenario might be differant but our aim remains the same.
 
Thanks for your informative post, Donna.

Hope you gained from Alland's teaching and I am quite amused with Smoke's vision of a "leather and spikes"-clad you.

Best wishes from SYK
 
Donna the Domina-

All jokes aside, you need not don a leather bodysuit. Sashes,, wristwatches, scarves, sterling silver braclets are related fashion items to chokers and bracers. This type of armor is a bit different, a person who wears this believes in their mobility.

Moving fast, evasive, able to dart in and out because none of the items mentioned will allow you to stand there and take the full impact of a cut or thrust. None of them.

This is for glancing blows, maybe you didn't move an inch far enough and the tip of the blade is grazing your neck. Offensively, in close situations you can grab an opponents blade with less chance of being cut because you have light armor on.

Spiked/plated bracers have their own thing. Like the backstrap of a Kris, spikes can act as a deterrent to someone's check hand as well as protection against a wrist cut. Also you can backhand a person with a bit more sting with it. Platelets (squares shaped like pyramids)can deflect or maybe damage a knife point.

These aren't main battle weapons but slight aids.
 
Hi Donna,it sounds as though Greg has his stuff wrapped tight.

I have a pair of kevlar/leather sap gloves. They would make his idea a lot more appealing than bare hand.

I even wear a vest sometimes. I know; I should wear it.
 
Donna,

I have not had as much exposure to Pekiti Tersia and Doce Pares, but from What I understand those are the areas Greg teaches. Are the C's and O's the stroking drills assoiated with the alphabet in Pekiti Tersia.

Also did he go through the 64 attacks with the stick.

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Call Me Al
 
Hi Al,
The O is an O made with a knife, you cut in a circular motion. Basically they are florettes. The C is anything that is a C. When you stab and then twist out of a stab you get a C. A slash 1 and 3 is another C.
Previously I understand it more as figure 8's and Greg said that this is basically the same thing and its all derived from the 64 attacks.

Yes, he did go through more than half of the 64 attacks and told us how to practice them including practicing each attack using a knife.

Hi FNG,
I had a pair of those gloves, those are the police gloves right? I bought them for the cold winters. I didn't want regular gloves because it is too hard to shoot a gun or weild a knife in them. They were nice and tight and also decent looking. I lost one.

When I lost my glove I bought kevlar inserts to put in another pair of gloves. I never ended up using the them though.

Smoke,
You have got me going now, I have a friend that is a jewelry designer and now I want to design a special choker--feminine, silver, that can fit in with every day wear and some silver cuff bracelets. Maybe I should have Crazy Tim Herman make me them. He makes beautiful art knives and he shows a really nice bracelet on his site. Then again I probably wont wear this stuff either.
 
Donna, Laci Szabo http://www.szaboinc.com
sells a full length sterling silver bracelet.
Only recommendation I have is to have something that covers enough. I'm not too much into neck protection yet but I wear a gauntlet with snaps on the inside of my wrist where I want a bit more protection.
 
Yes the gloves and other saps are restricted in most places. No one would ordinarily notice the gloves.Caveat Emptor.
 
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