Review of a pocket sheath for the Gunting

Howard Wallace

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I have been looking for ways to carry my Gunting in my pocket in circumstances where it is not appropriate to wear it openly. (see http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum52/HTML/001108.html ) I had several long telephone conversations with Frank Olesen at Skunkworks (509-534-6113) about my requirements, and Frank designed a pocket holster for me. Frank is also the equipment director for Common Sense Self Defense.

Both Frank and I are fans of Greg Kramer’s pocket holsters for small pistols. The Gunting holster is designed to have the same type of functionality, although the materials and appearance are quite different.

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The pocket holster is designed to be worn with slacks or suit pants, although it will also work with other types of pockets. The sharp tip of the Gunting ramp is enclosed in kydex to minimize wear on the trousers. The J shape of the holster engages the top of the pocket and retains the holster in the pocket as the knife is drawn. The holster is designed to be ambidextrous, in that it will work in either front pocket.

The holster grabs the knife with a tight grip, requiring the knife to be rocked forward to break the grip prior to drawing it. An alternative is to not quite seat the knife all the way in the holster. The holster still retains the knife, and the knife can be drawn directly upwards out of the holster. The knife can be drawn with thumb and index finger, or if the pocket will accommodate more of the hand a fuller grip can be taken prior to drawing.

The knife can not be easily reholstered while the holster is in the pocket. The stem of the J is composed of two thin flaps of kydex, and the tip of the ramp must seat between the flaps. Reholstering requires the holster to be removed from the pocket, and the ramp to be positioned properly prior to seating the knife in the holster.

This is the best of the pocket holsters I’ve tried. The other method that I believe to be equal to this holster is the use of a small knife pocket or retaining strip inside of the front pocket to hold the knife in position. However, this option requires either purchasing pants with the necessary pocket, or retrofitting the wardrobe with pocket modifications.
 
Hey Howard..

Looks cool....

Is there a reason that you carry Tip Down ??

It may be something specific for the knife or self defence art form you guys practice..

I've Never liked Tip Down myself..
I'm possibly missing something here...

There is another interesting way of doing this,, but it would be Tip Up..

ttyle

Eric...

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Eric,

I also like tip up carry, but there are a couple of reasons for not using it with this particular knife.

The first of those reasons is the shape of the ramp on the Gunting. It is prone to snag on cloth and open inadvertently on the draw when being carried tip up. It might end up cutting its own way out of the pocket.

The second reason is that the knife goes relatively rapidly into a "tomahawk" grip from tip down carry. An extra rotation is required to assume a tomahawk grip from tip up carry. The tomahawk grip is used when applying pressure point techniques with the Gunting. A tomahawk grip is not normally used with other knives.

I'm curious about your other method. How does it work?


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Hey Howard...

Ahhh Ok..

For me personally,, I have absolutely No use for pressure points using a knife...

I prefer to carry TU Anyday of the week for taking defensive positions..

You guys are training is this stuff,,which is excellent..

As far as my method goes, I'm working on a couple of different ideas, both accomplish the same task, just do it in two different ways. Thats about all the detail I'm willing to go into right now..
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I like the post that sticks out on the Gunting as it can be used in much the same way as the "Wave" on the Commander..

I also have a pair of Jot Sighns <SP?> that my knifemaker converted for TU carry. Makes pretty decent little fighters...

I'm certainly enjoying all of the spinoffs for all this stuff though..
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Got some good minds working on some interesting toys...
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Thanks for Splain'N things for me...

ttyle

Eric...

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I'm sure that someone has thought about this before, but I'm thinking that a concealex rig could be built that would carry the knife tip-up and then engage the horn on the draw for a wave-style opening...

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mr44:
I'm sure that someone has thought about this before, but I'm thinking that a concealex rig could be built that would carry the knife tip-up and then engage the horn on the draw for a wave-style opening...

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People have discussed this before. Obviously Bram didn't like the idea since it would defeat the whole purpose of the Gunting.

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I am bringing this subject up again as I think this is a great solution and I have just ordered one from Frank...

Howard - do I have to pay you royalties for the design????
 
Gadi..Frank has lots of cool designs and ideas..
I've seen many versions of all the holsters and carry rigs..
Such as my custom in the middle of the back, horizontal carry that allows for:
1) tomahawk grip engagement-blade closed
2) reverse grip Siko engagement-blade closed
3) forward grip blade open upon engagement
4) reverse grip blade open upon engagement

yes..blade open upon engagement defeats alot of the use and design of the GUNTING System..

many LEO depts and Federal agencies are very excited about the Guntings Ability to be used throughout the force continuum..to open immediately like a wave is self defeating..for ones ONLY option is to cut..
and NO..one doesn't need to do "pressure point" hitting..Gadi and others can tell you from personal experience that simply hitting with it is very very effective...

even if it seems its not, the GUNTING is a great impact tool...

" the SPYDERCO GUNTING might just be the BEST less then lethal impact tool EVER designed!" Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement Magazine in their New for SWAT Section...

 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BRAM:
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and NO..one doesn't need to do "pressure point" hitting..Gadi and others can tell you from personal experience that simply hitting with it is very very effective...

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Yes, big sigh, VERY effective...

Bram - I see you made it safely back.

Hope to se you soon...
Gadi

 
Gadi,
The design is Frank's. He just designed something that fulfilled my requirements.

Bram et al,
I may have misled people with my talk about pressure points. Just about anywhere the Gunting strikes hurts like ****! It's also great for steering and disturbing balance.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Howard Wallace:
Gadi,
The design is Frank's. He just designed something that fulfilled my requirements.
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Well Howard - looks like you two came up with a gr8 solution - hope to get mine soon and review it here...


 
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