Review of Passaround Ocelot and Kiwi (pics)

HoB

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Review of the Ocelot and Kiwi:
I didn’t have as much time this week as I would have wished to play with these two knives, so the review will be relatively short. I had looked at both knives for a while now and was sitting on the fence for both of them and so I am very happy that the passaround enabled me to handle them. Turns out that I fell on one side of the fence for one and on the other side for the other.

Kiwi:
Starting with the Kiwi it never fails to amaze me how Spyderco manages to put such a powerful grip on something this small. I would never have guessed looking at these deep cutouts and the little meat they leave, but the grip is actually very solid allowing for powerful cuts. In many ways quite a piece of engineering, but while I like the shape while it is closed it doesn’t speak to me when open. I can appreciate the effort and thoughtfulness that went into this little knife, but it doesn’t do much for me on an emotional level. While I can get all excited about the Dragonfly and Cricket the Kiwi ends up as something that is simply not my cup of tea.

Ocelot:
Ahh, the Ocelot. When it was first announced I was sure I would be buying one. I was very excited about it….but then I saw the first in hand pictures and my excitement turned into dismay as it looked to me as if the Ocelot was a “cute little” piece mocking the original Wegner design…Boy, was I WRONG!
The Ocelot falls firmly and squarely into the line of stout “full-size” folders. Full size I mean not so much a certain blade or overall length, but rather a folder that does not appear to have been designed around a certain restriction in size. I have pretty large hands (looooong fingers, wide but short palm area and pretty skinny) and I get a nice full hand grip on it, that is in no way weaker than the grip than the Chinook or Lil’T offer (which is the sort of company the Ocelot should be evaluated in) and the entire knife extrudes sturdiness and is very confidence inspiring. The blade is not distally tapered and the spine is 3 mm wide making this together with the thick (0.05”), full length liner plus backspacer a strong folder indeed. This leaves its mark in the weight it is not light, but because the handle is slimmer and curved, it carries better by far than either the Manix, Chinook, Lil’T or Yojimbo. I get along well with carrying a Manix, but the Ocelot simply disappears in my pocket because it tugs so nicely back towards the hip in the RFP. Sheaple-friendliness (sorry, NKP-friendliness) is a given with the paw prints. It is amazing how the attitude towards a knife can change with such a minor feature: Never mind the size…..”oh is that cute”!
Again the ergos are outstanding. The peculiar blade shape allow for a few choked up grips that offer outstanding bladecontrol and allows application of enormous push force with both hands (I am trying to show that in the pictures). Even gripped behind the 50/50 choil (even though it looks a little peculiar in the photo) the grip is still completely secure and strong.
Now to the drawbacks as far as I see them. Even though the Ocelot has a pretty strong negative rake angle, I would have wished for more. As it is, it lends itself to cutting mainly with the belly which is exactly as it should be for a skinner, but as EDC I would have liked easier access of the tip.
Speaking of the tip, here come a complaint that is unusual for a Spydie. The first 0.5” to 1” towards the tip were flat out blunt: It wouldn’t shave, it wouldn’t cut newspaper or any kind of paper for that matter. No big deal, I though, all it needs is a quick trip to the Sharpmaker, but while the rest of the blade got sharper, the tip didn’t respond much….mmmmh, so I figured it was simply not maintained well and was too far gone, so I carefully proceeded to sharpen it on the grays…no dice. So I continued on to a medium coarse stone. The sharpening was difficult as well and only then I noticed that the thickness behind the edge strongly increased towards the tip (on the last 0.4” towards the tip the blade thickens from about 0.025” to 0.04” behind the edge. At the thinnest part, at the apex of the belly, the blade is 0.02” behind the edge) and the original edge angle increased as well, approaching 20 deg. I struggled with it quite a bit, since I didn’t really feel it would be right to make major changes to a pass-around knife but it didn’t feel right to pass on a blunt knife either so I very carefully reduced the edge angle towards the tip a tad (but it is still greater than 30 deg included) and sharpened the entire edge up a bit. It now responds the Sharpmaker with a 40 deg setting and the part towards the tip is now what I would consider passable sharpness. If it was my knife I would slim out the blade much further, but again, not on a pass-around knife and the way it is makes for a very sturdy tip with out sacrificing much cutting ability on the belly. Again I was a bit surprised to see this on a Spydie, but to me it is really not a big deal as it is easy enough to adjust the edge to personal preferences. I can just hope that the small adjustment I made doesn’t find too much disapproval. I included a picture of the edge to show that I didn’t completely screw up the edge.
And finally the much talked about shortcoming of the paw prints. Personally, I love them. Remember they are the reason, why you can pull out a heavy duty knife in the company of non-knife people with complete impunity. They can be cleaned out with a toothbrush or even better with an ultrasonic bath, if such is available. However, a screw construction would really have been the right way to go on this model.
In the end, the Ocelot went straight back onto my “must have” list. It might be cute, alright, but it is also more than capable of delivering a heavy punch.

Thanks to FrankK and Spyderco for these terrific passarounds!







 
Nice objective and practical review of the knives Hob, particularly the Ocelot.

I love the Ocelot a lot also. Its one of my most carried knives since acquiring it used. I did rid it of the paw prints though. I opted for green canvas micarta and an all screw "take apart" construction when I replaced the G10 scales after using it just once for field dressing and skinning out a deer. Its much better for field dressing now and certainly easier to clean.

I did end up having to place one of my thumb plates and a 'grip strip' on the thumb side to aid in getting the knife out of my pocket. In that regard I missed the G10 for grippiness but this plate and skid guard material fixed it right up nicely. I then placed a leftover Calypso ZDP189 pocket clip on it because it had the same gold spyder on it that is on the blade. Both match the yellow tint in the green canvas micarta I used.

Tim did a great job designing this knife. I find the Ocelot to be quite good at food prep using a cutting board in the kitchen. It chops and dices as good as any I use and in fact due to its prowess in the kitchen I carry it a lot more than some others I like just as much. This one just suits my needs better in so many ways. It ain't just a hunting knife folks.

STR
 
I really like your work STR. At somepoint I have to give you a call about a Ti Caly.....if you are taking orders :).
 
Thanks. I am getting ready to start a Tasman Salt at the moment for that same upgrade. So long as I don't get inundated to where I start to feel like this is a job I'll continue to do them. If they were to start stacking up on me I'd call a halt to it though. Right now I'm ok with more.

Did you see the last CJ I just completed? Turned out pretty well for Julian.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20927


STR
 
Heavy tips are a common problem sharpening problem, they frustrate a lot of people, but like most sharpening problems a little measuring or magnification can usually reveal the critical issue.

It is kind of unfortunate that we need to have "cute" features on blades to assure people we are not all Manson followers because we carry a knife. I have even have people react poorly to a small Sebenza, probably due to the Titanium, jigged bone and traditional folders tend to be less of an issue here.

Spyderco does in general really well on small grips, they put as much time in the handles as they do on the blades. Even the really funky ones like the Poliwog are still very usable. That is one of my favorites to carry as it says sort of toy/gadget rather than weapon.

-Cliff
 
STR said:
Thanks. I am getting ready to start a Tasman Salt at the moment for that same upgrade. So long as I don't get inundated to where I start to feel like this is a job I'll continue to do them. If they were to start stacking up on me I'd call a halt to it though. Right now I'm ok with more.

Did you see the last CJ I just completed? Turned out pretty well for Julian.

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20927


STR

Yes, I saw that. They get better and better!
 
HoB - thanks for the outstanding review and photos!


The one thing that I would like to change on the Ocelot is the handle color….I think a bright blue, green, yellow, red, blaze orange (even hot pink) would make the Ocelot look more non-threatening and make the paw prints stand out….would also make it easier to find in the woods.


STR – very nice work on that Ocelot!


Take care,




- Frank
 
Thanks, Frank. I am quite relieved that you are not angry with me that I took the liberty ajust the edge a touch.

I figured I just add one as eye candy :):
 
Great photo HoB!


No worries about the sharpening – I appreciate it when someone takes the time to sharpen a passaround knife properly when it needs it….as long as they know what they are doing - which you obviously do!


Best,



- Frank
 
Just got done my week with the Ocelot. And I will be getting one of my own tomorrow. I loved the knife, I hunt and fish and the blade very much lends itself to both. I cut zip ties and cardboard, and sliced some beef with it. Usual EDC stuff for me. I took it fishin but no luck on trout the day I went (My fly pattern must have been off). I agree with others that it disappears in your pocket, the G10 offers a really good grip even with the paws. Now my idea would be too have some custom scales with Skulls instead of paws put on it. I used the kiwi slightly, I already own one so i did not need to carry it much.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
It is kind of unfortunate that we need to have "cute" features on blades to assure people we are not all Manson followers because we carry a knife. I have even have people react poorly to a small Sebenza, probably due to the Titanium, jigged bone and traditional folders tend to be less of an issue here.

I think cute is good and cuter is better. Out-the-front autmatic would probably be legal all across the USA and Canada if they originally had a Holly Hobby or Power Puff Girls motif.

Great review and photos, HoB! Do you have a Spyderco Stretch? Cleaning and cuteness aside, it seems rather close (slim, weighty, extremely well thought out skinner-style drop point) to the Ocelot.
 
Thanks for the nice review. I've been eyeing Ocelot for some time, now I guess I need to get one, and quickly. ^^
 
I love my Ocelot and find it truly functional. Has anyone ever tried filling the paw prints with a clear epoxy? It would retain the visual impact while eliminating the possibility of them filling with blood or other undesirable substances.
 
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