Rigid OldTimer mystery. Solved?

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Todays SMKW catalog contains a page of Rigid knives that bare a strong resemblence to OldTimer knives. Same patterns, brown sawcut Delrin. They're marketed as "Rigid Executive Classics".

I wonder if these are the mysterious Rigid Old Timers made from Schrade components?

Unfortunately the catalog doesn't say. If they advertised them as "Made from salvaged Schrade components" I'd probably buy one.

You can also see them at United's Rigid website:
http://www.unitedcutlery.com/shop/site/vendors.cfm?id=295D1703-1F96-4ABB-883BBD0982B4F1D0

Anyone have some inside poop on these? OldTimer knockoffs, or made from real OldTimer parts?

-Bob
 
Taylor, Pipes (SMKW), and the fellow who owns Arrowhead that makes knives for Taylor were partners in United Cutlery. And yes, those are licensed designs. Rigid Timers. And even a rigid finger. It does say they are U.S. made, so perhaps they are Arrowhead made.

Codger
 
awwww...thats wrong, just plain wrong. Those look like a really bad frankenstein movie. :eek:
 
Hah. You guys remember the time I joined the United Cutley site, to ask what happened to the Schrade parts they bought? Was one of the low, low points of my life, a sudden spike downward when I posted an intro in the forum and asked my question. "Welcome to these lands", a United forum member wrote to me, briefly setting down his ungainly, huge, 'Sword of Darkness'. Was the most extreme and degrading effort I ever made for this place.

I gotta say... I like the updated Sharpfinger in a 'tactical' kinda way. The same classic lines we all know and love with a 'high-tech' appearing handle and sheath. Fact is, I want one.

And if you read this article, tough guy Fred Perrin might like one of those United Sharpfingers as well.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/2292/schraderev.htm

Phil

Please vote on the name change, vote any way you want, if only to show Spark there are people here who care. I thank you.
 

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Maybe you could have offered to trade him a Sharpfinger for his "sword of darkness". They probably had the same retail price! Of course the Sharpfinger isn't made of butter steel.
Butter Steel = .15 C, 1.0 Mn, 12-14 Cr, 5.6 Bu (Bu=butter)
 
textoothpk said:
I gotta say... I like the updated Sharpfinger in a 'tactical' kinda way. The same classic lines we all know and love with a 'high-tech' appearing handle and sheath. Fact is, I want one.

Hmmm... ok, so I take this on with my list of rescale projects. I have a sharpie that looks like a delrin hammer. Perhaps it will become a bead blasted, black epoxy coated SQ152 FIXED BLADE TACTICAL ASSAULT KNIFE. XT handles are too big, and so are the Safe-T-Grips. But SQ587 X-Tacs are a possibility. I could re-radius the clip, increase the sweep of the belly, sharpen the front edge of the choil, and make a Kydex skeleton sheath for it too. A Xtacfinger! Needs a black OEM Schrade thong though. Anyone know where one can be had?

Codger...owning Schrade...one piece at a time
 
The recent Knife World article about Arrowhead showed a picture of a RIGID marked clone of an 8OT. I wonder if Arrowhead makes these in their US factory or imports them. The article was unclear as to whether slipjoints are manufactured in the Arrowhead US factory.
 
Hey knifeaholic,

Nice to see you drop in here. We would enjoy your company on a more regular basis, if you choose to visit.

Bill
 
textoothpk said:
Hah. You guys remember the time I joined the United Cutley site, to ask what happened to the Schrade parts they bought? Was one of the low, low points of my life, a sudden spike downward when I posted an intro in the forum and asked my question. "Welcome to these lands", a United forum member wrote to me, briefly setting down his ungainly, huge, 'Sword of Darkness'. Was the most extreme and degrading effort I ever made for this place.

I gotta say... I like the updated Sharpfinger in a 'tactical' kinda way. The same classic lines we all know and love with a 'high-tech' appearing handle and sheath. Fact is, I want one.

And if you read this article, tough guy Fred Perrin might like one of those United Sharpfingers as well.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/2292/schraderev.htm

Phil

Please vote on the name change, vote any way you want, if only to show Spark there are people here who care. I thank you.

Funny that the link to that article about Fred Perrin and the Sharpfingers popped up again. A while back I put some stuff up in the trade forum and got a response from Fred's partner, Nemo. We agreed to a swap of my spare 15OT for the Wolverine in the article. I have the semi-famous Wolverine in my gun cabinet on display. A cool little side piece of Schrade history.
 
OTguy, sorry I just noticed your post here and it is a good one. How cool. I hope you downloaded and printed out the page showing your semi-famous knive.

I have one of the 'high tech' appearing Rigid Sharpfingers (the 'Black Foot Hunter' 152 - black blade and handle and nylon sheath) on back order, and have a 'Bear Tooth Hunter' 152 with 420HC polished steel blade and black Zytel Handle on the way to me. For $20 I thought it worth a look see and I will post the particulars on it when it arrives and I've had a chance to check it out.

I'm not at all going out on a limb by stating the SharpFinger is a timeless design and will stand up over the long haul as a useful knife/tool for the outdoorsman, hunter, or even those 'tactical' types. Camillus and United/Rigid apparently think so.

Phil
 
Hey OTguy,
Like Phil said, show us a picture if you can....that is a good story. :thumbup:

Bill
 
Guys, I'd like to show pics of all my stuff, but I don't have a digicam. I'm so technology inept that its a miracle I can figure out how to log in and type. If you want to see the knife, its in the link to the article at the top of this thread, I think that they are using it to do some wood carving.

If I have to get a camera, I'll have to stop buying knives for a bit. You all know what kind of willpower that takes, quitting smoking is a breeze compared to that.
 
Please don't buy a camera just for our benefit! Buy more knives!

Again, a fascinating tale, thanks for sharing with us.

Phil
 
Got one of the Rigid sharpfinger clones in the mail today, the RGO152 (BEAR TOOTH) with black sawcut delrin handles and bead blasted dull finish. So here is my report to you, bear in mind I have not cut a damn thing with it.

Fit and finish very good. Except the shield which really shines, kinda high on the handle. Has the hole for the thong...er... lanyard or whatever you call it. Nice handle, identical to the 152OT. Blade is perfectly ground, very uniformly finished. Marks are etched on. "Made in USA" very proudly etched there. Very sharp, and looking at it, I think easy to keep sharp. 420HC steel, often maligned here in the forums. Big deal, I think the grind and bevel and heat treat are just as important as the steel. Nearly identical to the 152OT I have sitting right here next to it.

Sheath is nearly identical to the Schrade, except the edges are not polished. Other than that, perfectly serviceable.

The box... Is a box. Made in China. Just as is the 152OT box right here. Anyway, markings on the box make it plain it is a United product. Emblazoned on the top is "Rigid Classics". Other packaging differences: The Schrade came in a plastic bag, the knife not in the sheath, the blade protected by a cardboard sleeve. The Rigid was simply sheathed in the box. There is no accompanying paperwork with the Rigid. No sharpening instructions.

Also... there is no "lifetime Warranty" with the Rigid. Now that can say something about United's own opinion of their product. Or it could just say something about the world we now live in. You know, I am so used to seeing those words-- that claim to excellence and the manufactuter's pride and confidence in it's product (seeing those words on knives by BUCK, CAMILLUS, SCHRADE) that I just about missed it. How much extra $ is such a warranty worth to we consumers? Damn, remember the UH warranty against LOSS!?

The lack of warranty and the fact this Rigid knife lacks 100 years of tradition behind it is the only thing I see lacking. It is a good knife, just examining it. Use will tell the tale. The manufacture and sale of it has put food on American's tables, and if United can go head to head with the Chinee-- Taylor made crap, I say more power to them. I paid a bit less than retail fo this.. $20.00. Worth every penney.

OK... a difference in the blades, as I keep handling both knives: The Schrade has a very straight flat grind. The Rigid has a more concave feeling to it. This adds to my opinion that the Rigid will sharpen up nicely and rather easily.

That's it,

Phil
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Nicely done Phil..... :thumbup:

Well stated, and a good picture for all of us to get a "feel" for the knife.

Thanks,

Bill
 
Thanks for the brief review Phil. While the Rigid finger may be a United product, it is made by their U.S. manufacturing concern Arrowhead, also owned by Mr. Hall I believe. Interesting, and at least not imported from Chinee or Pakistan like the Taylor finger or Tomahawk pakiwood finger. I have not messed with stainless enough to be able to tell much difference between the 440, 420, and other series. That does look like as good a knife as the Camillus Gran'Pa. Whoever designed that thing sure knew what he was doing (Our own Uncle Henry Baer).

Codger
 
Sorry Phil, I missed this question until just now. I'd be in if you decide you want to do this.

Bill

P.S.
Could you send the nice GREEN handled one with it, please? :D :D
 
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