Rites Of Passage

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He just turned 9 and it's too late for this old Codger to keep up with him.
I remember last summer we watched his 15 year old Cousin playing Sacred on the computer. His fingers flew over the keyboard, and he'd only played the game about 20 minutes. I'm not even certain the kid could type English, but he could mow down dragons. The movement of his fingers was so fast I couldn't follow them, but Dragons and Dwarves fell.

A couple weeks ago I brought home Halo ll. When we started, I was King. That's gone now. Oh, when we play split screen shared games he'll still bring me into a hot spot, I'm pretty good at killing, but you have to orientate me. These games are a sequence of murky rooms. I can't find my way out. My son know's where he's going. He doesn't die much either- leaving that for me.

We played some competition duels. He's ahead 7-1. Now, I don't mind dying to my genetically superior offspring; after all, that's the way it's supposed to be. But 7:1 is behavior extinguishment. I won't play him anymore. Why bother? Sort of like a Taliban fighter with an AK against a Bradley fighting vehicle.

It just happened in a span of days. We passed on opposite sides of the Universe. He's coming up and I'm going down.

These games are coming up too. Talent today is making computer games. The soundtracks win awards. And techno nerds are needed. I'm not sure about SF writers though. I'm not sure if 'plot' is included. I watched a review of Doom 3 on TV that was pretty funny. What plot? We're killing demons. Enough said.

These games are the cheese of our times. You won't save the world playing video games, but they're here to stay. I could make predictions about the levels of interaction due to arrive soon; like your character being able to talk to computer generated figures, but why bother? It's coming, it's obvious, it's here.

Not sure what this means for the species. If you're looking for condemnation of the games as a sign of decline you won't find it here. The only way to survive cheese is to embrace the Cheese, make it your friend. Thus Old Black and White programs, B rated horror films, comic books, SF and Fantasy were all admired by this observer when their age was golden. The game is golden today. I'm just out of the loop. I can't learn fast enough. These kids grow up with it- a natural state of Genius in development allows them superiority, just as I once read literature, they dance over keyboards dispensing death rays and magic spells.



munk
 
Nice thread, munk.

I was in getting a haircut this morning, casually reading some gaming magazine on the table. The games looked fantastic! Medieval archers with the finest bows, modern infantry w/ every weapon, demons & evil to administer pain upon ... what wonderful times.

I agree with you, either embrace it or ignore it, but don't start despising it, because it is here to stay. Compared to television, I think video games are leagues better, because they are interactive. Like you said, the kid's fingers danced all over the keyboard, and that is a skill for the modern age.


One day, when I get old, I'm going to buy myself a big, flat screen tv, and the best game box in production. Then I'll suit up in my best leathers, don my armor, string my bow, and walk out into the forest for distant lands beyond, in search of evil to administer pain upon.


~ Bamboo
 
Bamboo said:
Then I'll suit up in my best leathers, don my armor, string my bow, and walk out into the forest for distant lands beyond, in search of evil to administer pain upon.


~ Bamboo

yup, sums it up nicely, i've got the armour, shield, swords and knives that will accompany me when i make the final voyage in search of new places and new forests to explore. when they dig me up 2000 years from now they'll have a little conundrum to figure out.
 
IF I could get away w/ a Viking funeral, I think I'd be willing to save for a few years.

A few weeks ago, I went through a short spell of playing a lot of Sega GT 2002. It was harder to be upset at Jordy for winning when it didn't involve shooting me in the head, as in Medal of Honor.

John
 
There has been an upsurge in interest in the martial arts over the last ten years or so. Poeple, young people and old people, are doing martial arts in the real world.
That's good news to me.
There's things a video game can just never do, no matter how advanced...
 
There's things a video game can just never do, no matter how advanced...
Danny

That's the whole point of a video game; you're not 'doing' anything.
In a way, the games symbolize a lifestyle that is merely observant and not very participatory. We could have cured Cancer...but we played video games instead. There is something intriguing about this point of view. Life as entertainment. Not about doing, but 'being', in a limited sense. Sort of the anti life, anti hero.

Books and literature were long thought to have carved out this niche. Yet today, a 'reader' is somewhat proactive by comparison with a gamer. Escape entertainent does have a real value, a place.

munk
 
thats true. The Romans killed as many people as they could, and even THAT wasnt enough. They had to stage real life killing events in stadiums.
Their desire for blood was apparently unquenchable

Escape IS a valid need. I think going to a good movie is better than Paxil for some people. I used to go to the movies when I was feeling down. Any movie would do.
(except for those "house party " movies, I'd rather open my veins than watch those again. Kid'n'Play are the twin sons of satan.)
 
munk said:
We could have cured Cancer...but we played video games instead.


Escape entertainent does have a real value, a place.

munk


Munk, that first sentence is huge! And very true. Really quite fascinating, and I don't think it is a bad thing. Who knows, maybe for someone, somewhere, a video game helped them relax and actually prevented cancer...? Far fetched maybe, but you never know...


Escape entertainment is crucial. For me, this forum can be that. The nice thing about this forum is that it can be that and so many other things, all at the same time.

Congrats to your son too, for winning the race before you even got out of bed.


~ Bamboo
 
I'm just old enough to remember the first real video games. Your four pixels would fire individual pixels at four-pixeled enemies. And we LOVED it. You had to use your imagination back then. If anything, I feel some bit of pity for those kids who've grown up late enough to just expect good graphics and awesome gameplay. If you remember the old days, you can really appreciate where it has gone.

It is true that perhaps we could have cured cancer. Perhaps it's also true that because of video games, we're closer to curing it than we otherwise would have been. Sound far fetched? How many people start out being exposed to one form of something, and then pursue it far beyond any of their initial ideas or preconceptions. Why, all of us. :) At least, those who live long enough to develope some sense of self-awareness. So, how many nerds who spent their early days rapt in video games have gone on to work in the computer field? How many kids have learned to use a computer because they had to in order to play these games? How has the demand for better graphics, faster chips, and smarter AI been effected (and supported) by the rich flow of money from gamers? I can guarantee you it's far more than any research laboratory has in the way of disposable income.

Medicine advances with technology, and technology advances (like all things) through demand and support. The same computer chips running those fast games are creating virtual reality models of the insides of cells, the brain, the nervous system, etc. and helping to furthur our understanding. Is that what a kid is thinking about when he (or his parents) lay down $50 for the next bigger, better shoot-em-up? No. But does some of that money end up advancing the technology? Yep.

:)

So I won't even fully allow that video games have contributed heavily to laziness. Those who want to be lazy will find a way to do so. Providing a haven for nerds? Most assuredly. But that's okay---nerds have cured more diseases, solved more problems, and built more powerful weapons than all the jocks of the world times ten. Long live gaming. :cool:
 
Yes! Long live gaming! In between real-life adventures, I play games to pass the time. Instead of playing what's trendy, I'll stick to a few good ones and completely own. It's not all wasted time, though. I do some of my best thinking during the mindless killing. In fact, I'm toying with adding kukhuris to the world of Morrowind.
 
Morgane said:
I do some of my best thinking during the mindless killing. .


~ :D


If only our mother's could see us now ... how proud they would be ....
 
Despite my troubled relationship w/ my mother, there have been a few times in the past years I that I wished she was alive to see something I'd done...

I've certainly done lots of things she would not have approved of, but then, I've done some things she would have been so proud of.

We all die alone, don't we?

John
 
Spectre said:
We all die alone, don't we?

John


I think we do, but sometimes I'm not so sure.

When my grandfather was dying, I went to visit him, and I knew it would be the last time.

Upon leaving, we looked each other in the eyes, and I just said, "Alright, I'll see you soon."

He chuckled and said, "Yeah, see you soon."

So maybe he died alone, but he didn't die lonely...


~ b
 
Spectre said:
Despite my troubled relationship w/ my mother, there have been a few times in the past years I that I wished she was alive to see something I'd done...

I've certainly done lots of things she would not have approved of, but then, I've done some things she would have been so proud of.

We all die alone, don't we?

John

No. By many accounts your spirit returns to God who gave it. Every human on earth goes through the same process, so we all share this. Part of the pain of grieving is the realisation that life in the flesh is terminal.
 
philthygeezer said:
No. By many accounts your spirit returns to God who gave it. Every human on earth goes through the same process, so we all share this. Part of the pain of grieving is the realisation that life in the flesh is terminal.
Returning from whence we came! Yes, it is always good to go back home. I just got back from Oregon. My wife and I stayed at my parents house, in Coos Bay Oregon. We had a family reunion that my MOM organized. Believe it, we had 70 people at the picnic. Gawlee... what a production. It was food..... to go home! ALSO, it was good to go home!

iBear
 
Bamboo said:
I think we do, but sometimes I'm not so sure.

When my grandfather was dying, I went to visit him, and I knew it would be the last time.

Upon leaving, we looked each other in the eyes, and I just said, "Alright, I'll see you soon."

He chuckled and said, "Yeah, see you soon."

So maybe he died alone, but he didn't die lonely...


~ b
Nice post. I agree with you 110% and then some more.
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I went to visit him, and I knew it would be the last time.

Upon leaving, we looked each other in the eyes, and I just said, "Alright, I'll see you soon."

He chuckled and said, "Yeah, see you soon."
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That is a wonderful post. You had great communication with your Grandfather. Your post warms my heart! Thanks for that.
Thanks,

iBear
 
Spectre said:
We all die alone, don't we?

Yep, but it's not necessarily a bad thing methinks.
I feel that it's true because of the way I have felt at different times over the last few years when all I wanted to do was go to sleep and never wake up on this plane again.

Bamboo said:
So maybe he died alone, but he didn't die lonely...
I have also gathered that this is true when a person is with at least one where mutual love is shared.

Those times when I wanted to sleep and not wake up were when it didn't seem like drawing the next breath was worth it anymore.
And even with Barbie there I knew there was no way she could help me through it if I were to leave this era of my life.
It is entirely true that each man walks west alone IMO.
I felt a great sadness for my Barbie the times I have felt that way as it is entirely selfish of me to want to give up and let her go on alone until we meet on the other side.
After surrendering to what we call death I felt a great peace and was very willing to let things lay as they would.
I haven't felt fear at what we call death for a long, long, time as I do have the comfort of knowing that there are the ones that went before me waiting for me to show up...
 
Yvsa said:
Yep, but it's not necessarily a bad thing methinks.
I feel that it's true because of the way I have felt at different times over the last few years when all I wanted to do was go to sleep and never wake up on this plane again.


I have also gathered that this is true when a person is with at least one where mutual love is shared.

Those times when I wanted to sleep and not wake up were when it didn't seem like drawing the next breath was worth it anymore.
And even with Barbie there I knew there was no way she could help me through it if I were to leave this era of my life.
It is entirely true that each man walks west alone IMO.
I felt a great sadness for my Barbie the times I have felt that way as it is entirely selfish of me to want to give up and let her go on alone until we meet on the other side.
After surrendering to what we call death I felt a great peace and was very willing to let things lay as they would.
I haven't felt fear at what we call death for a long, long, time as I do have the comfort of knowing that there are the ones that went before me waiting for me to show up...
Hey, remember some us also, your friends! We care what happens to good people!
I care! You are good people! That said, smile and be of good cheer, even if you sometimes feel down, upset, irritated or alone.... remember to exchange ideas with good people and that leaves only one way to go... UP! Cheer up, I also have my days, but count it as a blessing that I can communicate with friends and change my mind all over again... then I feel better everytime! Communication is the key!
Smile,

iBear
 
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