RMJ Shrike Purchase

Snakebreaker

Snakebreaker

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I have not posted a great deal here but those who have read my posts know I'm about as big of a fan of the VTAC tomahawk as one could be........and for good reason. I have arguably torture tested the VTAC more so than anyone I'm aware of. This thing is as close to being "ultimate" as it gets as far as I'm concerned. The reason I mention this is because I actually feel guilty........I bought a Shrike. I have been able to test quite a few of the different makes on the market and one I have never had any hands on experience with a Shrike. I feel guilty because of the loyalty I have towards the VTAC which it has earned its weight in gold. Talked to Richard at RMJ several times extensively and did not really plan on placing an order but at the end of our last conversation I told him, let's just do it! Delivery time is roughly 8 weeks. Looking forward to putting it through the ringer and will keep you all posted on how it fairs.
 
I only own one RMJ, and I haven't felt the need to put it "through the ringer". I have a certain amount of faith in their quality, as well as their heat treatment.
I understand the desire to use a hawk, to get familiar with how it swings and cuts, but what exactly is "through the ringer"? I feel that RMJ has already done the R and D, the stress tests, and know what they are doing. It's not up to us to have to test these things out, is it?

We trust that our seat belts and airbags will work when we need them, vs doing our own individual crash tests. Soldiers have to trust their body armor, without having to test if they work. We have to trust complicated devices everyday, so, why should we have to test out a less complicated tool? I'd trust any RMJ hawk with my life, as far a breaching. I'd still want to train with any hawk for the purposes of fighting.
 
Dodgeem33..... Why do you say they bite? Do you know someone or are related to someone who got bit by the beard?
TC :).

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foxx said:
I only own one RMJ, and I haven't felt the need to put it "through the ringer". I have a certain amount of faith in their quality, as well as their heat treatment.
I understand the desire to use a hawk, to get familiar with how it swings and cuts, but what exactly is "through the ringer"? I feel that RMJ has already done the R and D, the stress tests, and know what they are doing. It's not up to us to have to test these things out, is it?

We trust that our seat belts and airbags will work when we need them, vs doing our own individual crash tests. Soldiers have to trust their body armor, without having to test if they work. We have to trust complicated devices everyday, so, why should we have to test out a less complicated tool? I'd trust any RMJ hawk with my life, as far a breaching. I'd still want to train with any hawk for the purposes of fighting.
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Mr Fox.........You post drips of uncalled for cynicism. Do not address me in a condescending tone again, are we clear? Let me give you a quick run down of why I put my gear "through the ringer". Before I start, let me explain what "putting through the ringer" means so you are not so confused by my terminology. It means to put my equipment through as many harsh conditions as I might expect to encounter in a dire situation to exploit their potential limitations. Does that help you understand foxx?

Now on to why I put my gear "through the ringer"........

1} To reveal any possible hidden manufacturing flaws before I trust my life with it. Ever buy something and have it fail doing what it was designed to do? Happens ALL the time. Has nothing to do with trusting the make, model or manufacture. Its called the human equation, and as long as humans are involved, there will be mistakes and flaws in any products churned out by humans. If ANY of my gear is going to fail, I want it to fail before my life my depends on it.

2} For other colleagues of mine and members on this site who are interested in product testing and how something holds up in under conditions they themselves may never encounter or may not have the accessibility to fully test a given product.

3} Because its FUN and its my money and I can do as I please with what I spend my money on that I earned!

Does that clear everything up? Good. BTW.........Your really going to compare individual crash tests with our own seatbelts to your argument against testing a tomahawk? Don't patronize me.
 
I think he means he is going to use it, and use it hard. A lot of RMJ stuff probably gets babied because it is on the high end for price, nothing wrong with seeing one get a good workout.
A better analogy then seatbelts is a jeep that actually gets muddy and climbs over rocks and stuff jeeps are supposed to do.
 
Liam Ryan said:
I think he means he is going to use it, and use it hard. A lot of RMJ stuff probably gets babied because it is on the high end for price, nothing wrong with seeing one get a good workout.
A better analogy then seatbelts is a jeep that actually gets muddy and climbs over rocks and stuff jeeps are supposed to do.
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Seeings how we had our 2012 Jeep Wrangler built ground up from the factory for "crawling" ....................... why didn't I think of the Jeep thing Liam? LoL! Sounds like theres at least one other Jeep freak on this site besides me. But yes, the Shrike in question WILL be taken to the limits.
 
Not a jeep freak but friends with a couple, they become a lifelong obsession from what I see. I am surprised you have money for nice hawks like the shrike, that could buy a chrome door handle or something. :)
 
Snakebreaker,
I won't apologize for my line of questioning. You have 32 posts and came across as if you will be the first person to ever "torture test" hawks. You could have been more specific about the details of your testing, rather than the vauge "through the ringer" or "torture tests" statements. I was goating you into being more specific about the details and purpose of your testing, ie military use, breaching, fighting, fun or whatever.
What is a torture test, what is this ringer you keep talking about? What is it that makes your tests worth posing about, seriously you haven't mentioned one detail, so what's your test involve? Is it scientific, or just beating shit up?

Okay, I read you other post about the VTAC. It seems like you enjoying trying to break your hawks(SOG), and then send them back for new ones. That's not my sort of thing. Do what you want with your things, but IMO you are just having fun, not really breaching anything or offering enough details or logic about your method or purpose.
 
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Liam Ryan said:
I think he means he is going to use it, and use it hard. A lot of RMJ stuff probably gets babied because it is on the high end for price, nothing wrong with seeing one get a good workout.
A better analogy then seatbelts is a jeep that actually gets muddy and climbs over rocks and stuff jeeps are supposed to do.
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But a "torture test" would be more than just getting it muddy. I owned a Wrangler, went off roading, got it muddy, it did what it's supposed to do, but I don't think I ever did a torture test. I want to know what his tests are all about, and why they go above what a hawk is supposed to do. I think of a torture test as one that takes something to the point of failure. I don't see the point of buying an expensive tool and trying to torture it. Maybe my idea of torture is beyond what Snakebreaker is thinking?
 
A few things foxx................

Instead of "goating" me into explaining the details and purpose of my testing.............how about just ASK instead of coming across as arrogant and smug as you have done in a number of your "2626" posts? That ever cross your mind, no?

Since you place a certain value on the number of posts a member has in correlation to their significance on this forum, you would have have seen where I DID address some of the testing I have done in my post about why the VTAC excels and I just got through explaining the purpose of why I put my equipment "through the ringer". Did you not get that foxx? Why don't you pay more attention instead of making failing attempts at picking apart posts.

Your quickly wearing on me foxx. If you don't like what I have to offer in my posts, stay out of them.

Now...........back to the Shrike, if anyones still interested.
 
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Do you know if that delivery time is applicable to the entire range? I just put in an order for a Kestrel Feather this week, and haven't heard back from them what the expected lead time is.
 
Try calling them up Darkangel. Kerri, Richard and Ryan have been excellent in communicating with me through phone calls and emails.
 
You lucky mofo! :D

The Shrike is like my holy grail tomahawk. I am always on a never ending quest to obtain one. I look forward to seeing testing on this beautiful work of art.
 
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