Robeson Suredge Old Timer???

That's a counterfeit! A faked blade or blade stamp; Robeson never stamped a blade like that, IMO!
 
The Barlow body and bolster are the same as the Ulster Old Timers'. Don't know about the blade - either a subcontract knife or repair job?

-Bob
 
Neither Ulster, nor Schrade would stamp a blade like that. That's a poorly done attempt to defraud! If it was a repair, why would you put a half-assed stamp on it from a collectable brand? Put your own mark on it!!
 
A few things I noticed: The bolsters are both from the same side of a knife, take note of how one is now upside down so it would fit on the opposite side. Also, the "stamp" looks like it was done with a dremel, it's shinier than the pen blade. If it was an original stamp it would be deep and black from the hot stamping. It'd be nice to see the stamp on the clip blade. The rivets also look too shiny or new for the age of the knife.
 
The bolsters are both from the same side of a knife, take note of how one is now upside down so it would fit on the opposite side.
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That's how the Ulster 10OT is done.

Also, the "stamp" looks like it was done with a dremel, it's shinier than the pen blade. If it was an original stamp it would be deep and black from the hot stamping.
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You have a good eye for details. The "N" looks terrible. Being the last letter, the forger was getting tired and sloppy. :)

It'd be nice to see the stamp on the clip blade.
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If it was an original Ulster, there wouldn't be anything on the small blade. Don't know about Robeson's marking techniques.

The rivets also look too shiny or new for the age of the knife.
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Agree. But it could be an indicator of polishing/cleaning. I bet he polished the entire knife to disguise the recent 'work' on the tang stamp.

I think you give the counterfitter too much credit. IMO he didn't go to all the trouble, and probably doesn't have skill required, to build a phony knife from spare parts. I think he took a 10OT, ground off the old tang stamp, and remarked it. The blades are correct, the pins look OK, and the bolsters are correct.

Maybe a practice run, with a more profitable target on the horizon? Otherwise I don't see the point. I'm curious to see the final sale price. I bet that if it sells, it sells for less than an original 10OT would have.

-Bob
 
Bob,
Don't have any experience with Ulster OT's so I didn't know about the reverse bolsters, very interesting. I don't understand why they'd do it that way though, looks kind of wierd. if what you say is true, I just don't get this guy. Being somewhat of a barlow collector, I'd have seriously considered bidding on this one if it was just left alone, but now he can forget about 98% of real collectors even giving it a second thought, hell he probably spent an hour working on that knife to make less money than if he'd have done nothing but just list it.

Eric
 
Don't have any experience with Ulster OT's so I didn't know about the reverse bolsters, very interesting. I don't understand why they'd do it that way though, looks kind of wierd.
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I don't know either, but I suspect it's to simplify manufacturing. I'll have to check some other knives I have to see if that's a common Barlow trait.

Being somewhat of a barlow collector, I'd have seriously considered bidding on this one if it was just left alone, but now he can forget about 98% of real collectors even giving it a second thought, hell he probably spent an hour working on that knife to make less money than if he'd have done nothing but just list it.
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I absolutely agree. Those Ulster Old Timers have really gone up over the last couple of years, especially lately.

I'm going to keep an eye on it and see if it does sell.

-Bob
 
Don't have any experience with Ulster OT's so I didn't know about the reverse bolsters, very interesting. I don't understand why they'd do it that way though, looks kind of wierd.
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I've checked my rather limited supply of Barlow knives. 40% (n=2) have unmarked bolsters. 60% (n=4) have "Barlow" upside down on the reverse side. So it seems to be standard procedure, at least among the brands represented in my accumulation.

-Bob
 
hello, does anyone actually think these are saw "bone" handles? new to this group ... so just curious.
 
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hello, does anyone actually think these are saw "bone" handles? new to this group ... so just curious.
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no. The handles on this Ulster, and most other Old Timers, is "sawcut delrin," aka "plastic."

-Bob
 
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