Rolando's Little Quiz

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here is a recent "Schrade" knife & box, ebay, $1.99

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Quiz: 1)Knife was made in: a) U.S.A.
b) China
c) other(specify)
2)box was made in: a) U.S.A.
b) China
c) other(specify)
3)knife and box belong together: a) yes
b) no
4)this is a Schrade U.S.A. knife: a) yes
b) no

p.s. i am not 100% sure of correct answers.

roland
 
I have no idea, but I'll take a crack at it....

1) b china
2) a USA
3) b no
4) b no

Purely a guess on my part. I'm sure someone smarter than myself will be along to make my answers look foolish. :foot:

Glenn
 
Let's see!

1, c, IRELAND
2, b, CHINA
3, a, YES
4, b, NO

Just a guess!

Russell
 
rprocter said:
here is a recent "Schrade" knife & box, ebay, $1.99




Quiz: 1)Knife was made in: a) U.S.A.
b) China
c) other(specify)
2)box was made in: a) U.S.A.
b) China
c) other(specify)
3)knife and box belong together: a) yes
b) no
4)this is a Schrade U.S.A. knife: a) yes
b) no

p.s. i am not 100% sure of correct answers.

roland
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Pic. 1 above shows pile side tang marked China. searching this forum reveals that some AP35 knives were made in Ireland, so that is a potentially right answer.
Pics 2 & 3 show that it is a correct Ellenville box. but it is marked "Made in China" (in 3 languages !). so is that in reference to the box itself or the knife inside ? i don't know, but i bet somebody here does.
pic. 4 shows the included "Schrade/Knives and Tools" pamphlet (also tri-lingual).
to me, box, pamphlet, & knife seem to be original 'partners', but unless someone else has the same, how can one be sure ?
Is this a Schrade U.S.A. product ? yes and no. it was sold by Schrade, but unlike almost all of their other knives, it was not made by Schrade.
Significance ? well this is a dreaded "China Schrade" ! but no relation to Taylor.
maybe these AP35s were the very first China Schrades ? a rather insignificant little knife, but also a prophet, foretelling the future.
maybe it's a very significant knife.
roland
 
Roland, I recall hearing someone out here talking about some of the low end Schrades being made in China in the last few years of their existence. I think they, like others, were looking for a better price point on some of the products in order to survive. I know that before that they already had some parts made there, such as handles, etc.. A knife like this could probably be made by anyone with a set of instructions, almost like a kit knife, no hafting required, just a drill and a spinner bit.

Great thread! Thanks for bringing that one out!

Eric
 
rprocter said:
Pics 2 & 3 show that it is a correct Ellenville box. but it is marked "Made in China" (in 3 languages !). so is that in reference to the box itself or the knife inside ? i don't know, but i bet somebody here does.
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Don't know. I doubt much of went on near the end will ever be known.

I can say that,at least in one case,an American Schrade from that time frame was marked as American made on the box.

My 24OTX,in theory, should date very closely to your AP35.

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Sorry no paperwork to compare to yours.:(
 
Todd A. your box also has the American Flag on it versus rproctor not having the flag.

Wasn't sure if you noticed that or not ?

Tom
 
Yes I did. Both of our boxes and knives date from about the same time. Very close to the closing of Imperial Schrade Corp.

Roland was wondering if his "Made in China" refered to the knife,box, or both.

My one example of an American Schrade implies that ,even when Imperial Schrade was bringing in off-shore product, they still took the time to mark the packaging.

IHMO, Roland's "Made in China" refers to both the knife and box.
 
Todd, thank you for the comparison. i think your example does mean that mine is entirely made in China(knife & box). all this is quite a surprise to mw which is why i thought of doing the thread as a quiz.
roland
 
Just before going BK, the Imperial-Schrade Corp was having some knives (the Apex, for one) made in China. Keep in mind that the Ireland factory was already closed by that time.

How do you suppose Taylor was able to begin selling their Chinese imports so quickly? Answer, many of the knives were already in production for Schrade.

IMO, that knife is a true Schrade, contract-made in China or Ireland for the Imperial-Schrade Corp. If from China, it dates to 2004, just before the company was dissolved.

Regarding the knife in the very first post:
1)Knife was made in:
a) U.S.A.
b) China
c) other(specify) or Ireland

2)box was made in:
a) U.S.A.
b) China
c) other(specify) Dunno

3)knife and box belong together:
a) yes
b) no

4)this is a Schrade U.S.A. knife:
a) yes
b) no

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Laughing at myself for not reading the rest of the topic first.

Anyway, that's a neat knife. Not a valuable collectible, but an interesting example of one period of Schrade's history.

I have a similar knife AP55, only the "China" marking is on the front of the blade, just beneath the hole.
 
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Bob, thanks for that bit of history. until i received this knife, i did not know that there were some entire knives, pre closure, which were made in China.
i had previously read a post by Codger stating that some of the 60TX & 70TX had liners made in China.
your point about this being the reason for the very rapid outpouring of China Schrades post 2004, is well taken.
roland
 
Very interesting Roland.
I had not noticed that the AP35 was made in China.
I checked & I have 2 just like yours, same knife & box. I assume the papers will be the same also. I bought them about 4 years ago.


There was another series of knives make primarily in China; the Badger series.

SX4 Badger 4 in.- Lockblade, One Hand Open, Pocket Clip, made in China
SX4B Badger 4 in.- Lockblade, One Hand Open, Blackened Clip & Blade, made in Ireland
SX4S Badger 3 1/4 in.- Lockblade, One Hand Open, Pocket Clip, Serrated Blade, made in China
SX20 Badger 7 1/2 in.- Fixed blade w/ serrations & sheath, made in China
SX21 Badger 7 1/2 in.- Fixed Drop Point Blade w/Sheath, made in China
SX23 Badger 8 in.- Fixed Skinning Blade w/ Sheath, made in China
All were listed as new in the 2003 price list.

I found one of each of the folders shortly after Schrade closed. Several of them I picked up on sale at K-Mart.
The only one of the fixed blades I could find with a USA Schrade box was the SX21.
I bought a SX23, the clip blade, a while back on eBay, but it was in the Taylor box. With the exception of the box & papers, I don't see any difference in the manufacture if the two patterns (other than the blade shape). The handles appear to come from the same machines.

I think it is noteworthy that some of the first Taylor Schrade patterns I saw on store shelves were the Badger series. They could have removed the Ellenville box & papers and used the Taylor version & I don't think there is anyone who could tell the difference. I suspect that the very first Taylor Badgers were ones that had been made under the Schrade contract and not shipped before the bankruptcy. That explains how they were able to have China made Taylor Schrades on the shelves within a couple months of the their purchase of the Schrade name.

In going through my boxes looking for the AP35, I found a knife made in Ireland, & box made in China. I realized that I had not paid attention to the box before. I think it is the only box I have like this.

Does anyone know about this box?
Anyone know when they were printed? (fairly late I would think)


Interesting topic. Great eye Roland!

Dale
 

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