Ronin as Ice Pick?

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Scott Free

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Nemo mentioned in another thread that he uses his Ronin for an ice pick. If the Ronin's tiny sharp point can withstand slamming into a block of ice, it seems like that supposedly fragile tip is actually quite strong afterall. It says quite a bit about the design of the blade and about the toughness of VG-10.

Scott
 
Hello,

the Ronin works great as Ice pick !
It has been stuck into pig bones also. I believe bones are harder than ice !

Actually I believe VG-10 steel is a really wise choice from Sal and his Spydermen as it is a strong steel and this strenght is critical for such a thin point needle knife.

The heat treatment also is a top notch !

cheers

JM
 
You could use a long, thin point of metal for any number of tasks indefinitely depending on how lucky you get. I think it's fair to say, though, that the Ronin is intended for... er... soft targets, such as the vulernable points on your average human being, rather than utility chores (though it certainly doesn't hurt for the knife to get a reputation for regular utility use, from a liability standpoint). I see it as a purpose-built defense knife (but that's just me). I certainly love the thing.
 
I rather use my Ronin eveyday as a utility tool than once in a combat situation.

I was amazed by how this knife turned to be a excellent EDC.

Like the Gunting wich is another defensive design which can be used as a utility tool.
(Some of Bram Students used it to skin a deer !)

The straight edge of the Ronin won't make it a great skinner but as a utility tool ii can help you to get used and trained with:
-the balance of the knife,
-the way the blade penetrates and cuts through different material,
-also you develop a better skill to unsheath and resheath your knife fast and smoothly.

Really, I rather use my Ronin eveyday as a utility tool than once in a combat situation.
I believe any body else who has been in a real combat involving edge weapon will understand my perspective.


cheers

JM
 
i would be carefull i bent the tip on my G10 police SE chipping ice, not bad but didnt do it any good imho, get a ice pick/screwdriver instead.........


greg
 
I've just received an email from Catherin Tremel who want to buy a Ronin since she can use it as an Ice Pick...
 
Get an ice pick for use as an ice pick. Leave knives to do what they are designed for: cutting.
 
Actually... some knives are not primarily designed for cutting. Dirks, daggers, tantos are more stabbing tools. Throwing knives are another example of a piercing, impact sharpened tool. If they also have a sharpened edge they can be used for 'cutting'
 
In my own perspective I dont believe Ice is a big challenge for a fixed blade...

And for example Bones much harder than Oak wood.

Also in SF situation your Ronin could get in contact with a belt buckle...

cheers

JM
 
I can think of one good reason to use the Ronin as an ice pick... to make sure you didn't get unlucky and get a piece of steel with a defect that would fail when you really need it.

I have a set of Henckels kitchen knives... probably 8 years old now (I'd buy something else today, knowing what I know now). I was using the 8" chef's one time, in a fairly modest way, to ice pick some ice cubes apart that had frozen together in the ice tray. We're not talking a solid block of ice... just separating cubes that had frozen together.

I'm no tool abuse bozo. *:O) This knife should have easily performed this feat, but about 3/4" of the tip snapped off cleanly. No bending evident on either piece afterwards, just a clean snap. And I was not prying... just stabbing straight down into the ice bucket.

I strongly suspect there was some kind of problem in either heat treat, or a grain boundary defect in the steel. But I do suspect that the tip bent slightly as it found it's way around a cube into a void between cubes.

Luckily, Henckels replaced it, no questions asked (took about 6 weeks from what I remember, though).

Anyway, if you are going to depend on a knife for self defense, you oughta use if fairly hard in utility or training chores for a while just to make sure you didn't get a bad piece of QA/QC. IMNSHO, anyway.
 
Thanks Bob.
(God I hate your avatar...:barf: My Grandfather always told me aiming someone was very naughty...)

But that was exactly my point !

Testing a knife destined to be thrust with maximum force into some human being required some home works. ;)

Again I believe bones are harder than ice.

Nobody seems to be chocked by the way we have tortured Edmond Le Cochon ("Edmond the Pig")

cheers
JM
:cool:
 
Originally posted by Nemo
(God I hate your avatar...:barf:
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Totally OT but...

Rob - it seems that your picture has been worth a thousand words lately ;) :p :D

Matthew
 
Guess that means the ice break test for fixed blades joins along with the spine-whack test that folders get. :)
 
Originally posted by Nemo
Thanks Bob.
(God I hate your avatar...:barf: My Grandfather always told me aiming someone was very naughty...)
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You're welcome.

Very naughty? I feel a Monty Python imitation coming on...

Gosh, you hurt my feelings, Nemo, especially since I like your cute little avatar. Say, where U frum, inneehow?

I have a dream that one day we will frequent an internet forum where people will not be judged by the color of their avatars, but by the content of their ... no, holdit... I know this... shopping carts!... er... colon? ... er... posts? ... well, I forget the rest.

[Psssssst... it's "Rob"... not "Bob"... see, right down below in the autosignature area... AAWWWWwww... but you doesn't has to call me Rob... you can call me Bobby, or you can call me Robby...man, I hadn't coughed up the Raymond J. Johnston Jr. reference in a long time. That felt good. I need a "coughing" emoticon. :(cough) ]
 
Originally posted by Boink
Guess that means the ice break test for fixed blades joins along with the spine-whack test that folders get. :)
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Ice, spine-whacks, concrete blocks... all in the name of science.
 
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