Rookie Officer needs help selecting b/t surefire and streamlight

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Hi I am a new rookie officer for the Sheriffs Dept. i am soon going to be on active duty and need advice selecting between a duty light . My options are a streamlight scorpion or a surefire P6 , as these fall into my budget. Can anyone out there help me out to tell me the diff. between these lights? . The Scorion seems cheaper and after lookin at both the surefire and streamlight specs they seem the same, so why is the surefire more $? is the outoput beam also the same which is more powerful?
 
I definitely prefer the Surefire products after using most of the competing brands.

I like the 6Z for a tactical light for the duty belt, but use a regular Maglight for routine usage.
 
You might want to get a maglite too, just in case you have to direct traffic for hours. Much easier to change batteries than to recharge a small light.
 
Welcome to BFC Snake Eyes, I'm going to move this thread over to the "Gadgets and Gear" forum so the serious "Flashlight Gurus" can have a whack at it too.
:D

BTW, my money's on the 6-Zulu. This light and a pair of tritium sights makes the hours of darkness prime target time.
 
For a "primary" flashlight and the fact that you will most likely be working mids, you might want to consider a rechargeable light like the Streamlight Stinger with the tailcap button. I carry a Stinger and an M2, but they have different uses. I carry the M-2 when I am working days and the light does not get that much use. It gets expensive feeding a light them CR-123 Lithium cells at $1.75 each...
 
Hi Snake Eyes. My post is based upon ownership and use of the following: Streamlight Scorpion and Ultrastinger (a rechargeable); SureFire 8x rechargeable and E2 Executive light; as well as various conventional MagLites and a bunch of others.

If you are truly limited to just the Scorpion and the 6P, I would recommend the Scorpion. It is the perfect "beginner's high-performance light," and should save you money. True, the beam quality is not as "perfect" as the 6P, but it is good enough for all but the perfectionists! It comes with a spare bulb and after that, spares are only about 5 bucks tops, compared with paying around $18 or more for a SureFire spare lamp assembly (which is NOT included in the original purchase). Light outputs and run times are about the same, based upon my comparison with a friend's 6Z, which uses the same lamp as the 6P. Use the money you save to buy more lithium batteries in bulk (I have bought several times from Arizona Gun Runners, which has the best prices I've seen and very good service).

However, for a gun toting cop, the SureFire 6Z combatlight may be a better choice (if you HAVE the choice), if you like the SureFire/Rogers "cigar hold" handgun-light coordination technique. Ask some fellow officers to show you. If I carried a gun as a security guard (I don't), I would definitely carry a 6Z or 9Z Combatlight (the 9Z uses 3 batteries for a brighter light and is a little longer to fit them). (BTW, all these lights can be used with the old Harries technique as well.)

As an (OC only armed) guard, I currently carry an 8X rechargeable and my newly purchased Ultrastinger. Both save me on battery costs, and are usually backed up with a spare MagLite in my backpack. If you get a rechargeable, the 8X is probably the best, and very cool looking in the hard anodized version (no extra cost at AGR). It now comes with a spare battery and a rapid charger for about $130. If you don't mind "plastic," get the Nitrolon model for just under a hundred.

The Ultrastinger (also just under $100, but without a spare battery, which you'll need for duty when your light starts going dim) is about the size of a 3C Mag, but a little thinner and lighter. I wear mine in a belt ring, as a pouch wouldn't work too well. This light is AWESOME!! Lots of power, and can double as a short billy, which gives it a one-up on anything SureFire has (size-wise). However, your dept regs may not permit it's use as an impact weapon, or allow it at all, so check first.

One drawback to the Ultrastinger is you can't use the rapid charger. From what I recall in comparing standard Stingers to the SureFire 8X, they are about the same brightness and runtime, although again, the SureFires will always have the best beam quality. Also the 8X is slightly more compact than the Stinger.

If I were a cop, I'd carry either the 8X or the 6Z (or 9Z) on my belt, with an Ultrastinger or possibly the new SureFire 10X Dominator rechargeable available for extended searches, backup, etc. in the cruiser or briefcase. I would also have a Mag around for backup duty, and have a smaller backup flashlight on my person (LED keychain light or SureFire E1).

When you order any of these, make sure to get spare lamps and plenty of lithiums in bulk (at least six to start), since you will use up the first two lithiums playing around with your new toy within about a week or so! As a security guard, I went through about a pair of lithiums per month when my Scorpion was my main hi-perf light, used in conjunction with standard MagLites in my belt holder.

Hope this helps.

Karl
 
Hi Snake Eyes,
If you buy a Scorpion or 6P, you will be spending lots of money on batteries. The battery life of those lights is about 1 hour, and working nights that gets done pretty easily.
Do yourself a favor and buy a rechargeable light. I have a Streamlight Stinger. I have carried it for over 4 years now, and have not had to replace one thing on it. It's been dropped, submerged in water, seen extreme Central Texas heat and not so cold Central Texas winter, and is still going. For the money, the Streamlights are great lights.
If you have to buy a battery powered light, look into a Streamlight 3C or something similar.
 
I carry a Streamlight Stinger on my belt, Ultrastinger stuffed in the seat, and a Stylus in my pocket. The Stingers work out great for me. I have the one on my belt in case I forget the one in the seat. As an added bonus both use the same charger. I highly recommend rechargables.
Nick
 
Hi Snake Eyes,

I'd get one of those if you only work day time hours. You'll piss through the lithium batteries within the first full week with a non-rechargable. Lithiums are not cheap either. So in the long run its not cheaper. A UTL light is a real nice choice for a portable 3V lithium light if applicable.

Candle power or LUMS are another concern. A streamlight Stinger Rechargeable is about 15,000 CP. I like the metal version just incase it may have to become an impact weapon. Its cheaper just going with the home charger instead of both the AC & DC chargers. I have never had the need for a car charge. One charge can go all week. This has become a secondary back up. They are OK for contained areas such as vehicles.

The larger, more powerful units I found to be better for an overall.
It can cover a wide area, deeper into the dark, & blinds the BG if needed. Its size is a better impact weapon, and it can be tucked under your arm (non-gun side) between your rib to free up a hand if need be. 30 to 40,000+ CP units like MAGLITE, STREAMLIGHT, or Pelican M11 rechargeables are all good choices.

Spend the extra $ on the equipment that could save you, & makes life easier.

Stay safe
 
I changed from sure fire to streamlight. These posts are right, get a rechargeable. You really should have a much bigger light as well. Use these as your backup or in situations where it is a tactical advantage. Many times i had to hand my mini light to my partner because he left his light in the car. I have a streamlight 20X as my primary light and i love it. Bright, lasts long on a charge, tough, big enough to be used for things other than lighting. (if you know what i mean). I also have a Streamlight stinger. I would not go on patrol without either one ever again. Spend the money now, your safety is worth it, and you will end up spending it later anyway. Good luck and stay safe.---Kevin
 
I work with two lights.

The one on my person is a Streamlight Stinger (Used 100 times a night)

The one in the vehicle a Streamlight SL20X (Searchs and Traffic Control)

Trust us here, go "Rechargable".
 
I agree with Hollister. I used that same exact setup for years. Stinger on the belt. SL20 in the vehicle. I use the SL20 for everything. (In fact, it is the same light I bought 20 years ago! Numerous battery packs, bulbs, and switches later it still works great!) If you have to bail out of the car you always have the Stinger on your belt.

The only change I have made now is I have replaced the Stinger with the Surefire 8NX. In my opinion a better overall light that is the same size as the Stinger.

No matter which brand you choose you should have one on your belt and another in the car...both rechargable.

I also always carry a large "war bag" in the trunk which has amoung other things, a spare rechargable (usually a Stinger), the spare battery for the 8NX and some kind of a C or D cell-battery powered light. Some of this stuff could be left at your station unless you travel a long way from it on a regular basis.

I have exhausted Sl-20's at crime scenes or searching for suspects. You can never have too many lights ready to go!
 
Since I already own most of the lights being discussed here I'll add my 2 cents as well.

The differences between the 6P and the Scorpion are pretty slim.
The Scorpion's rubber grip and very slightly skinnier body fit my hand better but the beam has to be re-focused every time you change batteries. Somewhat annoying.
The 6P feeds the batteries from the tail end so the focus is preserved.

If you're really not interested in rechargeables then the big plus of the Scorpion is the included spare bulb and the lower replacement bulb cost.
If however, you think that you might want to at least experiment with a rechargeable then the 6P gets the nod since it comes with the option of being converted to a "rechargeable" 6R.
A screw in body adapter and a rechargeable battery are all that's needed.

And just to weigh in on the rechargeables....
The Surefires all outperform the Streamlights but its hard to justify the cost.
The Stinger is a great little powerhouse at a great price but its beam is horrible.
Why they don't use the same pebbled reflector as on the Scorpion is beyond me.
The Surefires have a far superior beam but for most, the extra cost is just too prohibitive.
 
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