Rosseli and Fire Stick

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roeliepoelie

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Hello you all.
This is my first post on this forum. (a lot of info to find...)
I am looking for a good knofe to use outdoors, for bushcraft (ray mears type of thing), making all kinds of things. For the big jobs i got an Small forest axe. After a lot of looking i came to the knives of H.Rosselli.
http://www.roselli.fi/1/index-eng.html
I am thinking to get the R210 UHC Carpenter Knife or the R200 UHC Hunting Knife .
Has anybody have some experience with these knives???

And, can i use these knives, this metal, to get a lot of sparks together with a fire-stick.

please, i hope you can help me, thanx, ROel
 
I have the small 2 1/2 inch blade "grandmothers" knife. I love it as an occasional edc as it is so innocent looking. Great edge holding from very good forged carbon steel. My pint size puukko is one of my favorite knives. For woods rambling I combine a small puukko with a compact hatchet like a Fiskars/Gerber pack ax.
 
Either of those knives wuold nicely complement your ax, giving you all the cutting ability you'll need in the woods. I'd suggest adding a good Swiss Army Knife to the mix, though, something with a good selection of tools, most importantly a saw.

If by "firestick" you mean a ferrocerium rod (also known as metal matches, ferro rods, ect.) anything with a good, sharp edge (including glass or rock) will strike sparks. The sharper the edge, the more sparks. However, I don't suggest using the cutting edge of ANY knife to trike sparks with. Much better to have a squared off spine on your main knife and use that to strike sparks. By filing down (if necessary) the spine of your knife just enough to square it off, that UHC steel will make an excellent striker.
 
Roselli have good reputation, and their designs make sense and look solid, but one or two things annoy me about them.

If I understand well UHC is a very high carbon content steel, very hard.
Many people like long lasting edge because they don't or can't sharpen, that's why many manufacturers promotes very hard edges. Sure you don't want to sharpen every two sec but that shouldn't be the main feature of the knife.
I don't know if I'd choose that, I think I'd prefer a softer steel, because it would be less brittle, easier to maintain sharp, and in case of chipping or breaking easier to fix.
Just speculations though, I've never tried a Roselli UHC or not.

On a general point of view, I'm wondering about Roselli knives.

I generally like Scandinavian knives because they are very efficient while being quite cheap.
Roselli knives are said to be good but are quite expensive. I'm just wondering: are they efficient enough to make someone choose them over a cheaper puukko or Mora ?

Personnally I'd choose say 4 moras over a Roselli, so I could use them for different tasks, try different sharpening methods, I case I loose one, use them without being hold back by price or the fact that if I damage it I'll have to wait two weeks for a new one...

But anyway I'm quite curious about Rosellis.
 
@ Ravaillac, i was also looking at this one. It sure is cheaper, and it also looks very very good. But, as you can see, they are in carbon and in stainless steel. With one is better to keep sharp. I mean, you are thru, i knife needs te get sharp good. When you're in the woods you have to make it razorsharp with the stuff you have.
On my last trip i had this folding knife (i think spyderco) but it was very hard to sharpen(or it was me, unexperienced)
So, the link show the lapp Puuko, it review is very promissing. But, what i don't understand. Is Lapp the brand name????
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/content/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=14
It is about half the money as the roselli...
All comments welcome.
Oh, and i will say it again, the knife is going to use for bushcraft.(carving, making all kinds of stuff, You, like Ray Mears) (His woodlore Knife looks good, but for the money, aaaaah.
I want to learn all about it, so it has got to be a good starting knife.
Thanx
 
roeliepoelie said:
So, the link show the lapp Puuko, it review is very promissing. But, what i don't understand. Is Lapp the brand name????
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/content/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=14
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Knife described is a Kellam puukko. Kellam is an Ameraican scandinavian stuff dealer (www.kellamknives.com), but they don't manufacture knife. They buy knives to a finnish maker and sell it under their name (which sounds perfectly Ok to me).
"Real" maker maker is Iisakki Jarvenpaa which is a large finnish maker.
These knives can be bought from Ragweed Forge or another seller depending where you live.
Looks like a good knife.
 
roeliepoelie said:
On my last trip i had this folding knife (i think spyderco) but it was very hard to sharpen(or it was me, unexperienced)
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Spyderco folding knives are generally among the easier to sharpen due to the thin edges and low angles, the only complication is that some of them in S30V can be a bti difficult to machine, micro-bevels solve that problem though. Do you recall the model?

Ravaillac said:
I'm just wondering: are they efficient enough to make someone choose them over a cheaper puukko or Mora ?
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In general this is almost always never the case, what you gain for more money in general performance wise tends to fall off fast. A lot of the gains are cosmetic, a Roselli with a nice birch handle looks a lot nicer than a plastic Mora. If both of them have the same blade width and grind they will cut the same, and both use similar steels aside from the UHC, so expect similar performance in general.

I have a Roselli erapuukko (on loan) and it is very different than a $10 Mora. The Roselli looks like a hand forged knife, it even has two light hollow fullers forged into the flats above the primary edge grind. There is also a slight uneveness to the grind and tip presentation, not functionally significant, just something to note. You really can't expect to get hand forged detail like that for $10.

As to the worth of the hand forged blade vs stamped/stock removal, there is a lot of hype and myth there, you can read the facts from a materials standpoint on Swordforums where it is generally argued that it is a mainly shaping exercise. Is it worth more to you to have a craftsmen shape four table legs by hand or just get them all identially machine made.

-Cliff
 
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