Rough Rider = Chines CASE ?

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Silverdagger

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What is the relationship between Rough Rider and Case. I was just at a small knife shop and some of the patterns are almost identical. I told the shop owner that maybe they we stealing patterns. He said if they were stealing patterns, Case would sue them, but in his opinion, they are working together as silent partners to produce a Chinese priced quality knife. I held a Rider toothpick and canoe and baby butterbean and they are almost identical to the Case. Anybody know the relationship, if any?
 
I don't think you can sue Chinese companies as they are not held to U.S. patent laws, and I find it hard to believe Case would do that since they are very proud of the fact they are made in the U.S.A. Just my opinion...
 
I've never heard of any relationship between Case and the Rough Rider name. It seems unlikely to me there is any relationship at all.

Case makes very few things that are not widely copied, if not copies themselves.

Rough Riders are in fact pretty damn good. Americans need to face the fact that Chinese manufacturing completely capable of making fine things.
 
There is no relationship with RR and Case at all, and as for suing them, slip joint patterns are just that, patterns i.e. similar in design by their very nature.

If someone makes a 3 blade stockman, that can't be stopped, but if they made a 3 blade stockman that said "Case" on it, they could.
 
I think Rough Rider knives are made for Smokey Mountain Knife Works. A shop owner told you they could be sued for stealing patterns that have been around for decades?
 
the way things are going with the chinese buying up alot of the steel and the americans charging more for there knifes the working man will end having chinese knifes before this lifetime of evolution is over with.its just getting worse.:(
 
Case knives is made alogn side Zippos in Bradford PA, all american, they do not and never will work with a foreign compnay in any way...and those designs they use are traditional patterns that hundreds of knife companies have been usign for many many years, nothing to worry about...

And if anyone was copyiong it would be rough rider copying case, which happens to be the most collected knife company ever...
 
cutlerylover said:
Case knives is made alogn side Zippos in Bradford PA, all american, they do not and never will work with a foreign compnay in any way....
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In the past, Case had some knives made in Germany, and Case frequently uses exotic handle materials that are imported, which they buy from overseas sources.
 
morrowj_98 said:
I think Rough Rider knives are made for Smokey Mountain Knife Works. A shop owner told you they could be sued for stealing patterns that have been around for decades?
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He told me that he thought the reason they were not suing is because they were working together. He didn't know for sure. He had CASE, Eybrand, Bulldog, Rough Rider and a few other brands. Mostly case and rough riders. He was very knowledgeable about CASE knives, in general. I don't collect them and had to tell him as he got over my head real quick.

The one last thing he told me, is that a man had brought in a Case that he had bought at Lowes and it had China stamped on it. He said it was the only one he had ever seen. He surmised that it was some prototype and maybe made in the Rough Rider plant.

You all's info makes more sense to me. He must have been mistaken and somebody may have put a China blade on a Case or something.
 
Well, I just spent a lot of time detailing my thoughts on this, then lost the whole thing when I had to "log back in". Don't understand that one.

Long story short, I researched this brand a while back. Kevin Pipes (SMKW) brought in the "Rough Rider" brand to give collectors a chance to own some of these older patterns that are rare or expensive. Ok knives, but the girl at SMKW made very clear that they were not on the same level as Case.

thx - cpr
 
I'm a "tad" dubious of the shop guys tale of a Case that says China on it, I'd have to see that first hand.
 
thedogpound said:
the way things are going with the chinese buying up alot of the steel and the americans charging more for there knifes the working man will end having chinese knifes before this lifetime of evolution is over with.its just getting worse.:(
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Plenty of American companies made junk knives back earlier in the 20th C, and the working man bought plenty of those.

Some of these Rough Rider knives get pretty good reviews from slippie-fans, saying they're decent pocketknifes for the average user.

What's more, they cost less than plenty of working folks make in a single hour. How many hours did a factory worker have to put in to buy a Case in 1920, and how many hours to buy a junk US-made slippie?


If the knives work well for a casual user, and are affordable enough for the average American to justify the expense, I'd say that's a good thing. That way knife newbies can buy a $7 slippie to open packages with, a more savvy buyer can spend $60 on a Case, and a knife-knut can have his choice of gorgeous customs for $300.
 
Well ok, maybe not USA ALWAYS ALL THE TIME, but to use exotic materials is one thgin, I dont consider importing handle material from another country to use on our knives a forein knife...know what I mean, but I cna see the German thign, but that was a special edition type of thing...For the most part Case is all USA...but who knows what the future holds...
 
Silverdagger said:
The one last thing he told me, is that a man had brought in a Case that he had bought at Lowes and it had China stamped on it. He said it was the only one he had ever seen. He surmised that it was some prototype and maybe made in the Rough Rider plant.
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If it had China marked on the blade...it wasn't an authentic Case knife. I'd also stop listening to this shop keeper. He seems to be substituting his assumptions for fact.

I have a lot of Case knives and am not ashamed to say I have some Rough Rider knives also. For the money, they aren't bad at all...nothing close in quality to Case...but not bad. I've bought Rough Riders when I wasn't sure about a particular style. A four bladed congress to be specific. I bought a Rough Rider and carried it around for a while. I decided I liked it and bought several congress patterns from Case and Boker.
 
I would imagine he just calls slip joints case, like some people call all multitools leathermans, lol...sheeple...
 
MatthewVanitas said:
Plenty of American companies made junk knives back earlier in the 20th C, and the working man bought plenty of those.

Some of these Rough Rider knives get pretty good reviews from slippie-fans, saying they're decent pocketknifes for the average user.

What's more, they cost less than plenty of working folks make in a single hour. How many hours did a factory worker have to put in to buy a Case in 1920, and how many hours to buy a junk US-made slippie?


If the knives work well for a casual user, and are affordable enough for the average American to justify the expense, I'd say that's a good thing. That way knife newbies can buy a $7 slippie to open packages with, a more savvy buyer can spend $60 on a Case, and a knife-knut can have his choice of gorgeous customs for $300.
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MatthewVanitas is way too reasonable and makes too much sense. The moderators should ban him.

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Silverdagger said:
The one last thing he told me, is that a man had brought in a Case that he had bought at Lowes and it had China stamped on it.
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I'd have to have that one in my hand before I believed it even existed. All current production (and past production, minus some German commemoratives) have been made in the USA.
 
I just got a Sawcut Bone Stockman Rough Rider.
The workmanship is very good.
Far better than Schrade Walden.
Embarressingly better than Bear.

Comes sharp.
I have not yet sharpened it or used it.
I don't know the steel quality.

But out of the box the knife is quality.

All this for $8?
 
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