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GronK

GronK

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Really? Someone sneaks in Obama bashing with a knife rights thread and to prevent comments you sticky it and lock it? We are a diverse bunch and you'd probably be surprised how many liberals are gun rights advocates, knife aficionados, contribute to your forum and find this to be very disappointing. Please follow your own rules.
 
Spark's instructions are to allow Knife Rights to post updates in the General Knife Discussion.
We sticky them and don't edit content.
 
GronK, I have taken issue with one of their (Critters?) positions in an open thread of theirs in the past and came away with the impression that achieving Knife Right's cause de jour justifies any means. Unless you just wanted to vent, I doubt you would have gotten any real debate from him.

Knife Rights is a 100% political entity. It is folly to think any thread started by Critter would be anything but a political discussion. If Spark wants his posts here I respect that, but I think they should either be in political, be locked before any discussion can occur, or be left open and "come what may".
 
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I think Morrow hit the nail on the head:
"Simply stating the fact a judge was appointed by a president (any president) is not necessarily a political statement. If you choose to interpret this statement as political that's your prerogative"

KnifeRights.org isn't trying to change your president. They are trying to change asinine laws that serve to restrict and remove our rights.
I'd personally be more disappointed in what the DA of NYC is trying to do to the rights of New York citizens and business owners than I would be with the fact that Obama's name was mentioned in passing.
 
Tying the commander in chief's name to it is nothing but Obama bashing. Plain and simple. If knife rights is playing that game then they will have to do so without my support or money. Idiots are cutting off their own nose to spite their face. The Obama bashing supersedes legitimate knife rights discussion hurting the cause they are supposedly promoting. Oh well; their .org, your forum, do as you will.
 
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Tying the commander in chief's name to it is nothing but Obama bashing. Plain and simple. If knife rights is playing that game then they will have to do so without my support or money. Idiots are cutting off their own nose to spite their face. The Obama bashing supersedes legitimate knife rights discussion hurting the cause they are supposedly promoting. Oh well; their .org, your forum, do as you will.
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Your statment is a glaring example of Tu quoque, and is rather hypocritical given the forum as well as the arguement you present. but, you are most certainly welcome to belive what you like. No need for anyone to get upset here. After reading the first post n the thread in question, I don't see the "bashing". That is not something that was prominent to me as I read through. I suppose that people can read into the article and go there based on the title alone. Personally, I am grateful that KnifeRights is doing something about the way cutting tools are viewed and treated in a legal and social light regardless of the person that holds the title of "Commander in Chief". Everyone with a knife in their pocket or home will enjoy the fruits of the labor done by this organization either directly or indirectly. YMMV.
 
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Tying the commander in chief's name to it is nothing but Obama bashing. Plain and simple. If knife rights is playing that game then they will have to do so without my support or money. Idiots are cutting off their own nose to spite their face. The Obama bashing supersedes legitimate knife rights discussion hurting the cause they are supposedly promoting. Oh well; their .org, your forum, do as you will.
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Obama bashing? He must be awful if typing his name is bashing.
 
I see your point, however, having lived in NYC my entire life, (when not deployed or stationed elsewhere while in service) I lived on the Upper Westside of Manhattan, I can honestly say I've never met any of these Liberal gun rights advocates or knife aficionados of which you speak. Not one.

And if they had their way where you live not one of the knives you own would be legal, or legal to carry. Except maybe a SAK or small Slipjoint and even that could be used against you. Just think about that. That's the reality of the knife laws in NYC.

That Obama appointed the judge is irrelevant but I think your outrage is misplaced given the greater issue at hand.

If the current knife laws are allowed to stand in NYC I submit it's only a matter of time before these laws could come to a town near you. Don't think it can't or won't happen.

I encourage everyone to support Kniferights.org. It's not just a NYC problem.

Lets not lose sight of the real issue at hand. Our rights to own and use knives is under attack and all of us need to get past the issues that divide us and stick together and fight this for all our sake. Kniferights.org is the only organization actually trying to do something about it.

Don't support them if you choose but don't be surprised either if one day you wake up and the unthinkable has happened and these laws have been enacted in your home town because that's what happened to me. .

I never would have imagined 20 years ago that the pocket knife I carried every day could one day be a serious crime that could destroy my life and send me to jail.
 
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Tying the commander in chief's name to it is nothing but Obama bashing. Plain and simple. If knife rights is playing that game then they will have to do so without my support or money. Idiots are cutting off their own nose to spite their face. The Obama bashing supersedes legitimate knife rights discussion hurting the cause they are supposedly promoting. Oh well; their .org, your forum, do as you will.
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Nonsense. What if you agree with the judge's decision and are happy President Obama appointed him? Is that still bashing?
 
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Nonsense. What if you agree with the judge's decision and are happy President Obama appointed him? Is that still bashing?
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No, but it would still be political if you brought Obama's name into it, as in, "Yay, Obama's judge squashed the efforts of knife activists!" In reality folks (like myself) may vote for and support Obama as the lesser of evils but still be pro-gun and pro-knife rights. Why alienate us in the process of trying to make the point?
 
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No, but it would still be political if you brought Obama's name into it, as in, "Yay, Obama's judge squashed the efforts of knife activists!" In reality folks (like myself) may vote for and support Obama as the lesser of evils but still be pro-gun and pro-knife rights. Why alienate us in the process of trying to make the point?
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You're alienating yourself. The statement was made that the judge was appointed by President Obama. This was a stated fact and nothing else of a political nature was said. Would you be protesting if the judge had been appointed by President Bush and was stated the same way?
 
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You're alienating yourself. The statement was made that the judge was appointed by President Obama. This was a stated fact and nothing else of a political nature was said. Would you be protesting if the judge had been appointed by President Bush and was stated the same way?
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I know this question wasn't addressed to me, but yes. Either would be bringing party politics into a legal matter.
 
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You're alienating yourself. The statement was made that the judge was appointed by President Obama. This was a stated fact and nothing else of a political nature was said. Would you be protesting if the judge had been appointed by President Bush and was stated the same way?
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Yes. Political is political, and with that I'll leave this thread. As I said earlier, "Oh well; their .org, your forum, do as you will."
 
The thread title is political. I've seen threads with similar titles locked or moved depending on the membership level of the person who started them. There, in fact, was no reason to mention how this judge came to be in their position. Only their decision is important. GronK is right, they are alienating potential supporters, with no gain involved. This is bad practice in business, politics and/or war. Anyone who is unable to see this should open their eyes.
 
Gronk makes a good point; throwing political jabs into a legal debate is something that wouldn't likely be tolerated in any other thread, so it seems odd that it's allowed here when it goes against the forum's own rules. He wasn't the only one who read that as a jab either, and you can bet there are many other members who're thinking the same but not speaking out. Knife rights may do some good work but politicizing issues with partisan politics means they'll never see a nickel of my cash or any support. Knife issues like this go beyond the party lines and affect folks on both ends of the political spectrum and all the ones in the middle too.

As for gun and knife right supporting libs, I'm as liberal as they come but still believe in personal freedom and gun/knife rights. I'm far from the only one,either, I know a lot of ultra-liberal folks here on the west coast who would never want to have the state control others choice in hobbies.
 
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Tying the commander in chief's name to it is nothing but Obama bashing. Plain and simple. If knife rights is playing that game then they will have to do so without my support or money. Idiots are cutting off their own nose to spite their face. The Obama bashing supersedes legitimate knife rights discussion hurting the cause they are supposedly promoting. Oh well; their .org, your forum, do as you will.
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Yeah! Absolutely! I would never support a cause that fights for something I believe in because they happened to mention the presidents name in a thread. Oh wait... That would kind of be like cutting off my own nose to spite my face wouldn't it?
 
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