Russian Spetznaz spring loaded knife?

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OGRE 4569

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About fifteen years ago, I remember seeing ads for a Spetznaz spring loaded knife that would shoot the blade. Does anyone know where I could find one- for curiousity sake. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
I've heard about these, but they are supposed to be very difficult to find these days. My coworker was talking about seeing a kit in a pawnshop 15years ago or so (I think he said Spetznaz) but it was crazy expensive and still only marked at a fraction of the price.
 
OGRE,

These use to be for sale years ago in shotgun news. They also had a baton and grappling hook attatchment. They were an interesting novelty.

If you start reading into weapons laws, you will find that ballistic knives are very illegal nowadays. Short of owning an unregistered class III weapon, or a thermo nuclear device, I don't think you could get yourself into more trouble with the law. :) I'm sure there's a bunch of them still floating around, but I doubt you'll find any for sale.

John...
 
There have been several threads on these. Some collector interest, but bad juju of you're caught w/ one on your person out in the world.
 
I seem to remember Vampire Gerbil posting a test of one of these some while back, but I cannot get the Search function to work. perhaps someone else can.
 
Cool staff! This Russian Specnaz!
May be Russia should have some kind of troops like this miraculas "Russian Specnaz" to fight terrorist etc...
According to guys on russian forums who have some military background, in the Soviet and Russian Army were no any official knives but AK bayonet. Unofficially they may have anithing. I have letter from the guy who presented KaBar 1217 to his friend from one of this special forces (red berets) who fight terrorists in Checnya and according to him his friend is absolutely happy with KaBar (I have his review in Russian on my KaBar page http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/kabar1217.html ).

On my opinion special SpecNaz abilities as well as jumpimg knife is kind of modern urban legend created by Viktor Suvorov (very talanted author):

http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/specnaz_engl.txt
http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/intelligence_engl.txt
http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/army_engl.txt
http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Interesting, I've heard of these, but it seems like it would be more of a novelty than anything else. Projectile capacity + knife? Why not a throwing knife? Anybody who'd have reason to use one of these projectile knives would certainly be able to throw a knife, or at least learn. Gun would be more practical anyway. It's an interesting concept, though.
 
nozh2002 said:
Cool staff! This Russian Specnaz!

On my opinion special SpecNaz abilities as well as jumpimg knife is kind of modern urban legend created by Viktor Suvorov (very talanted author):

http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/specnaz_engl.txt
http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/intelligence_engl.txt
http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/army_engl.txt
http://www.lib.ru/WSUWOROW/

Thanks, Vassili.
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Privet Vassilii,

I completely agree with you, both about Suvorov (his real name is "Vladimir Rezun") being a talented writer and about the fact that a lot of what he writes are legends. Some of his first books were rather interesting, in particular those about the GRU, but after this he started writing more and more bizarre things, including the veyr bad book "Spetsnaz" which is really very far from the reality of Russian special operations forces.

So guys, have lots of fun reading Suvorov, but double/triple check his facts and take them all with a big pound of salt!

Cheers,

TN
 
you could get them in the '80s and they shipped w/out the spring installed IIRC, a bud had one and it was an interesting toy but i dont think it had any real use in life, imho just something that would get ya in trouble. and yes a crossbow would be 100X more effective,
 
Mongo-man said:
The russians have special AT teams from the Omon (Otryad Militsii Osobogo Naznacheniya). These guys are the ones they used against the hostage takers in that school and the siege of the theater in Moskow. They have a VERY bad reputation regarding the capture of LIVING terrorists. They always seem to miss the hostages but the terrorist always seem to die during the raid. All members of the Chechen group of hostagetakers, including the female members where shot thrue the head.
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Actually, the forces used against the Chechens in the theatre were not OMON. OMON is really not that much an elite unit at all. The units used in the theater case were the Federal Security Service "A" anti-terrorist group, sometimes (erroneously) referred to as "Alpha". As for shooting the female hostage-takers, please remember that these ladies had powerful bombs strapped to their bodies and that they had declared many times that they would blow themselves up in case of problems.

There was another, very highly trained, special operations force created by the KGB called first "Kaskad" and, later, "Vympel". After they refused to storm the Parliament building in 1993 they were disbanded by a vengful Eltsin. I strongly suspect that Putin might have re-created a similar unit, although possibly under a different name (I have not been following that stuff recently). In the past, a combination of "Group A" and Kaskad was used in critical situations (such as the stroming of the palace of Amin in Kabul). The Ministry of Internal Affairs also had several special units such as the "Kobalt" unit or the OMSDON (Derzhinski Division with the elite Vitsiaz Battalion).

There are also special units called "SOBR" which were used in combat situation, often is coordination and/or support of more elite/specialized units.

All this does not even include the many military special operation forces (of which there were plenty, some highly secret like the ones protecting nuclear missiles silos).

In comparison to all this, OMON was a very, very, very low-skill group.

HTH

TN
 
I am pretty sceptical about abilities of this "special" groups to be gods or something - what public imagination drawing - urban legends IMHO. In Dubrovka it was special gas (heroin based or something) not a special forse used against "freedom fighters" who keep 700 peopla without food and water for several days - and it was great success. So far there are no too many success stories with special forces directly involved - however nature of this bussiness is that any hostage saved - already success.

For female-bombs to be shot in the head - how else you prevent them to cross the wiers they hold in their hand ready to blow up themselfs anytime? This is only way to be sure 100% thet they did not blow up all this explosives they wear around their bodies in crowded theatre.

I can not understand this complain about poor terrorists being killd by special forces! This cry about poor women being shot in the head by the sniper instead of let them peasfully blow up all this hostages around!

Returning to subject - I doubt that this jumping knife ever existed in Soviet Army, however somebody may make it and market it here in US as such.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Hi Vassilii!

Just a little follow-up about the gas used in Dubrovka:

Some armchair strategists, in the UK for example, were very critical of the performance of the Russian units calming that too many hostages died and speaking of "strong-arms politics and reckless assaults". Considering that nobody in the West ever faced anything like the situation in Dubrovka this is quite hypocritical. But also, it fails to point out a simple fact: the gas used was similar to an anasthetic gas and, as any doctor can tell you, you *must* carefully tailor the dosage to the patient. So what were they supposed to do with 700 people (including kids, old people, people with cardiac conditions, people taking various medications, etc.)?! Besides, the gas had to act fast enough to prevent the Chechens form triggering the bombs. They did the only possible thing: they put enough gas to rapidly disable the Chechens. Yes, people did die, but at least not 700+ hostages (as would have been the case in a Waco-style assault).

By any logical criteria, the special designation forces of the Federal Security Service succeeded in saving a amazing amout of hostages in the worst possible situation. I do not believe that any other country's assault teams could have succeeded better (and many, including those who gloat about Russian casualities like some former British SAS did, would have done much worse).

That does not make the Russian special designation forces "gods" or something similar, only top-notch professionals.

Regards,

TN
 
ok. so medics were not fully ready to handle several *hundred* people suffering from a condition which was totally unknown at the time (remember - the gas and the plan to use it were kept secret) while the special designation troops were making sure that no Chechen hiding among the hostages (which they suspected had been the case) could escape. and even if they had been fully ready, considering that the exact nature of the gas was unknown there would have been little they could have done anyway (as any doctor can confirm).

yes, it was a tragedy, but one for which the Chechen "freedom fighters" and their various supporters worldwide were wholly responsible. that is, I think, where the blame should lie. not on the Russians.
 
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