S30V in 2003

Carlos

Carlos

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Now that we are in 01/03 and the PDRs are in the mail, I can give you a listing of Spyderco clipits that will be featuring CPM-S30V steel this year.


CPM-440V (S60V) clipits being switched to S30V:

C36 Military
C41 Native (Golden CO version)
C63 Chinook II
C68 Gunting
C69 Lil Temperance


New clipits being introduced with S30V:

C70 ATR
C80 Dodo
 
Can't wait for that ATR! Been anxiously anticipating that one for awhile now. :D

What are going to be the differences in the Golden Native and the japanese version?
 
FRN Natives:

Seki: VG-10, "3D" contoured FRN handle.

Golden: S30V, standard flat-sided spyderwebbed FRN handle.
 
That's a question for Sal. Since the first S30V model hasn't rolled out yet they may even still be working on optimal hardness.
 
Carlos,

Will the configuration/geometry (flat grind, nice curve) of the C36 Military remain unchanged. I sure like the present configuration.
 
Originally posted by Carlos
That's a question for Sal. Since the first S30V model hasn't rolled out yet they may even still be working on optimal hardness.
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Carlos - do you have a sense of when the first S30V models will show up at dealers? I am specifically thinking of conversions, i.e. the Lil' Temperance and the Chinook II - I guess that is considered a conversiion.

Also, are they going to keep the curent Chinook in production or will the Chinook II replace it?

Chuck
 
Hi Guys ('n gals). Happy new Year.

The USA made S30V Natives are already shipping from Golden.

We're running the S30V at Rc58/59.

The Configuration of the Military blade will stay the same.

All FRN Enduras are now VG-10. SS Enduras are AUS-6.

sal
 
I forsee an S30V Native in my future, I love that design, but haven't been totally pleased with the CPM440V on mine...
 
Carlos,
Aren't the new WTC rescue and D'Allara (sp) the new S30V steel too?
Chris

Be Excellent to each other.
 
YoungCutter didn't like the 440V Native?

I'd like to hear more about that.

In fact, I'd like to hear some comparisons between 440V and S30V.

I had assumed that the change to S30V might have had something to do with manufacturing ease or perhaps simply "the latest and greatest" for marketing reasons, without any real significance to the end user.

Please report.
 
I had assumed that the change to S30V might have had something to do with manufacturing ease or perhaps simply "the latest and greatest" for marketing reasons, without any real significance to the end user.
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Ouch! What can you say? IMHO, also, its the latter. I'm not complaining though. :D It just seems a premium steel is a premium steel.
 
I still have much to learn about the various stainless steels, but on the Strider forum there was some discussion, and several knowledgeable people, including at least one well-regarded custom maker other than Strider, made a very good argument for S30V. In knife magazine articles over the years, I have read of, and seen photos, of brittleness and edge chipping problems with various stainless steels, and CPM440V in particular. I will buy another couple of Guntings and probably another Mili when they show up in S30V, for that reason.
 
Ken,

Certainly I'd be willing to share with you my displeasure with CPM440V.

Ok, first let me say that CPM440V is not a bad steel at all, in fact, it's some pretty hard stuff. However, CPM440V, because of it's high carbon content (2.15%), is subject to strong cases of carbide variance very shortly after sharpening. What does this mean? It means that you may spend an hour on your 204 getting your native to shave, and after just a little bit of pretty light use, you will discover that... while it still slices like a demon, it will no longer shave.
The carbide variances cause this, generating more of an uneven "biting" edge, which... again is great for slicing... but I do mostly push-cuts with my knives and this disappoints me, as this steel doesn't lend well to that use.
That, and CPM440V is a true bear to sharpen.

To be honest I've never tried S30V, but I've heard good things and have an open mind.

Also, for whatever it's worth, just to show that I'm a bit unusual in my steel preferences, of all the steels I've tried so far (which, it should be mentioned don't include S30V or BG42), my favorite is 440C :)

Anywho, hope this cleared your curiousity up some. (If you would like me to explain Carbide Variance in greater detail feel free to ask, but as my arm's getting tired, I'd rather not type a whole big explanation and discover you're already well-farmiliar with it );)
 
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