S35VN at higher hardness

[Maximumbob54]

So I'm watching a video yesterday and I had to roll it back and hear it again, you can take S35VN up to 64 HRC... Stop, lets look that up, that can't be right...

S35VN Steel - Properties and How to Heat Treat - Knife Steel Nerds

Information on how S35VN compares with other knife steels and how to best heat treat it for optimal hardness and toughness.

knifesteelnerds.com

"S35VN has good potential hardness; it is capable of reaching at least 64 Rc. That should provide a good range of hardness values to the knifemaker."

But all I hear is that S35VN doesn't stay sharp as long as S30V but it's easier to sharpen and is more tough so that's supposed to make up for the lack of keeping the edge. Well. Could we not more than make up for that with an HRC goal of at least around 62 instead of the usual 58-60 I see all the S35VN listed??? Have we ever even seen the potential of this steel before moving on with the next new blend?

And he even goes on to say it maintains toughness with the increase in hardness. So why have we always been left with the 58-60 from everyone???

 

[DeadboxHero]

So I'm watching a video yesterday and I had to roll it back and hear it again, you can take S35VN up to 64 HRC... Stop, lets look that up, that can't be right...

S35VN Steel - Properties and How to Heat Treat - Knife Steel Nerds

Information on how S35VN compares with other knife steels and how to best heat treat it for optimal hardness and toughness.

knifesteelnerds.com

"S35VN has good potential hardness; it is capable of reaching at least 64 Rc. That should provide a good range of hardness values to the knifemaker."

But all I hear is that S35VN doesn't stay sharp as long as S30V but it's easier to sharpen and is more tough so that's supposed to make up for the lack of keeping the edge. Well. Could we not more than make up for that with an HRC goal of at least around 62 instead of the usual 58-60 I see all the S35VN listed??? Have we ever even seen the potential of this steel before moving on with the next new blend?

And he even goes on to say it maintains toughness with the increase in hardness. So why have we always been left with the 58-60 from everyone???

Plenty of custom knife makers have run it to ~62rc.

Even if it's ran to 64rc there is another steel that is able to go just as hard but is tougher, more corrision resistant and has a finer structure.

So it wasn't just about the hardness.

 

[Seedy Lot]

The Larrin test data is relatively new to the industry. There are still loads of people who believe a softer edge is better, they often say they would prefer an edge roll over a chip but completely overlook the area in-between those two outcomes.

And now we have Magnacut...

 

[SharpBits]

Isn't S35vn less expensive (currently) than MC? I mean, I love MC, but sometimes I don't want to pay the hot-new-thing tax manufacturers like to apply. High hardness S35vn might just be good enough™, no?

 

[Larrin]

Isn't S35vn less expensive (currently) than MC? I mean, I love MC, but sometimes I don't want to pay the hot-new-thing tax manufacturers like to apply. High hardness S35vn might just be good enough™, no?

The prices are comparable. Some knife manufacturers have charged more for MagnaCut or put it in more expensive models, but it is unlikely to be from the material itself costing significantly more.

 

[SharpBits]

The prices are comparable. Some knife manufacturers have charged more for MagnaCut or put it in more expensive models, but it is unlikely to be from the material itself costing significantly more.

I trusted you when you said way back that it should cost the same as most other CPM steels and I also trusted the manufacturers to bump the price on it because that's what they do to the hot new thing.

 

[Maximumbob54]

Now that it's been mentioned, it's not a huge markup on a Para 3 lightweight in BD1N vs MagnaCut. Or at least not what I would assume from an ingot steel to the latest PM all the hype steel.

 

[Alberta Ed]

I've found S35VN to be a little bit easier to sharpen than S30V. MagnaCut is easier to sharpen than S30V and S35VN and so far in my totally unscientific testing (whittling and cutting stuff) seems to hold an edge as well or even better. All three are terrific steels though IMHO.