Sad story.

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I made a post over in the general forum, but I wanted to share something with my special traditional family.

I'm getting along great post surgery, and already can open some pocket knives, if they are easy. Sal classic, sak bantam. The smoothness of the Victorinox helps.

But it's about the young guy I talked to at the surgical center.

While waiting for my name to be called, Karen and I were sitting across from a woman and her young 20 something son. He had his hand bandaged up, and was waiting to go back to an OR. Karen asked him what happened, and it came out. The kid was a fellow knife knut, and was into tactical knives. I didn't make any comment about any of what followed. He had one of the super duper locks fail at a bad moment when he was doing some heavy duty cutting, and it severed some critical tendons and nerves. His right hand was pretty crippled up, and they were hoping for the surgery to restore some use to his right index finger and middle finger that were dead out of action. They'd already opperated on it once, and were going at it again.

He named the knife that bit him, and it was one of the tactical crowds popular ones. He trusted the lock, and now he has a crippled right hand. So much for mechanical devices.

I feel a little sad more of the young guys today didn't have a seasoned grandad to guide him growing up. I wonder with a slip joint that he knew would fold over on him if he was stupid, would he have been more careful? I think with a slippy, we do tend to be more carefull, think about what we are doing. I think a grandad or even a good dad would have taught him to go get the right tool for the job. A fixed blade, hatchet, or saw.

We love our stockmen, barlows, and soddies, but we know they have a limitation. We know if we push the wrong way, we're gonna get hurt. I know they had lockblades in the old days; John Wilkes Booth had a locking foldiing dagger on him when he was killed at Garrets barn. But I think of all those cowboys with stockmen, sailors with sheepsfoot rigging knives, farmers with sodbusters, and day laborers with simple barlows. They managed to go through life without crippling a hand. They knew how to use a tool. But then, most slip joint patterns come from an era where there was no warning labels, and nothing was idiot proof.

I feel a bit sad for that young man. He believed what he read in some magazine, and so trusted the tool to insullate him from his own mistakes because it was supposed to be thr strongest lock on a folding knife.

I recall my dad telling me, that the more complex you make a mechanism, the more likely it will fail. Then I think about old Bill B. up in Frederick county who has used a yellow sodbuster for the past 30 years to skin everything from muskrat to deer, and still has all his fingers.

Maaybe simple is good. We know not to push it too far.

Please, lets be carefull out there!
 
Good story. I like most modern Spyderco and Benchmade tactical knives and I carry them daily. My father started me out with stockmans and and other non locking blades. This gave me a healthy respect for the knife and taught me to use it properly or pay the consequences. So even though I carry tactical knives with locking blades I use them as if they didn't have the lock and it has kept me from ever having a lock failure.
 
I too feel for the young man but I agree with your assessment as well, trusting anything mechanical can be dangerous. Once in our gunshop I was walking back to the bullet trap to test fire a Savage 1903. I wasn't close to the trap when I pulled back and released the slide to chamber a round. As you might guess the hammer followed and the fired round went into a steel door no where close to the trap. I knew that Savages had a rep for this yet I trusted that gun to function properly. It was a cheap lesson, nobody hurt and just a slightly damaged steel door.

I grew up on slip joints and know the dangers, I treat my locking knives the same as I would if they didn't have locks.
 
Bummer,when you lose respect for certain things,in a sense you let your guard down.That's when freak accidents happen.

I wish & hope for the young man's hand to recover as best as possible,for him.An unfortuneate event,a costly learning lesson.

Jacknife this is a sad thing in this thread,about the guy, but a great reminder thread,to keep everything in perspective.
-Vince
 
Jackknife,

I too am sorry for this young lads mishap but thankful you took the good time and trouble to post this here to serve as a reminder for others. My kids are out shopping with their Mom and Aunt this morning but when they return home this afternoon I will be sure to show them this thread.

This is a good lesson to learn from someone else's unfortunate mistake. I learned a long time ago that any mechanical device can(and will) fail under certain circumstances.

Its best not to trust that any locking mechanism on a knife or the safety switch on a firearm will ever function as designed.. Use it, but act as if its broken or not there, and you will never have to be sorry later..

.. Like ashtxsniper stated in his post: "So even though I carry tacticool knives with locking blades I use them as if they didn't have the lock and it has kept me from ever having a lock failure."
 
but i use them no differently than my slipjoints, in all honesty i'm probably more paranoid when using them, because when they fail you hear these types of horror stories. I only have 3 linerlocks and 1 lockback like them all but i dont have complete faith in anything that folds, get the right tool for the job sometimes ya need a sheath knife or an axe or a prybar a folding knife no matter how amazing can not be all these things.
hope the kid recovers, indeed a sad story.
and nice to hear that you can open some of your slippies and whatnot:thumbup:
ivan
 
A fine post, and a thoughtful one that shows the OP's consideration for others. I agree with the sentiments. My son's first knives are going to be SAKs. Actually, he already "owns" two of them, but he only gets to carry them in my presence. And he's gotten to cut a thing or two as the lessons have already begun. I personally treat locking knives as though they are slipjoints because you just never know. If I want assurance, I own plenty of solid fixed blades.
 
Your post is a GOOD reminder to us all.

That is indeed a sad story for that young man! Thank you for posting.
 
I'm glad that your recovery is coming along Carl. :thumbup:

It is too bad that this guy had to learn the hard way, what a lot of our fathers and/or grandfathers told us: USE THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB ON HAND!
I hope the surgeon can fix his hand up as good as possible.
I'm sure this will be something he can preach to his kids in the future.

Peter
 
Good to hear you are on the road to recovery jackknife, and sad to hear about the kid. "Never trust a mechanical safety" is something I post every time I'm foolish enough to open a thread on lock strength, or any time the subject comes up. I'm probably on a few ignore lists for telling folks if they learned to use folding knives correctly, locks aren't a necessity. I believe that the great locks now on the market and in development are lulling people into a false sense of security, instilling bad habits that end up biting them when the lock fails to protect them from their own foolishness. I feel the same way about anti-lock brakes, traction control and airbags on cars; it is better to avoid the accident than to trust the airbag to save you, and trying to replace skill with technology is the wrong way to avoid the accident.
 
My son's first knives are going to be SAKs. Actually, he already "owns" two of them, but he only gets to carry them in my presence. And he's gotten to cut a thing or two as the lessons have already begun.

I was going to write a similar post. I fully intend to set up my boy with a slipjoint folder when he's of age (he's just 3 now, but loves to see my knives). A nip or two when a kid's young tends to ingrain a lifelong respect for the limitations of a folding knife - I know it did with me. Like some others have posted, I have a few locking knives (carried my Buck 55 today as a matter of fact) but I instinctively use them as I would any slipjoint.
 
Nothing worse than if it happens to a kid. With todays medical breakthroughs we can ony assume he will be OK. Glad to see you are doing good jackknife.
 
I read this topic on the other forum and thought it was excellent. I hope the young man can recover the use of his hand. I grew up with slip joints myself and had a Father, Grandfather and Uncles who help me learn about knives. You can never be too careful with a sharp blade . I think locks may lull us into a false security. I think slip joints teach us to be careful with knives and not put our trust blindly in a lock. Which I did at one time but not anymore. Just my 2 cents.

RKH
 
Had a couple close calls with tactical locks. Much better being a slippie junkie and understanding the "limitations" of a folding knife. Glad you're doing well jackknife.:thumbup:
 
That really is a tragedy. Even though most of us that hang here know how to properly use a knife, and probably really don't care much for the type of knife this young man was using, the end result is the same...

I don't know if it was the case with him, but unfortunately a lot of kids don't have a Father or Father figure to teach them the simple things as they grow up.

I started teaching my son gun and knife safety when he was very young, IIRC he was probably about 4 years old. I wanted to make damn sure that if something happened to me and I was no longer here, That he knew proper safety, and would hopefully avoid any tragic incidents with either...

I also drilled in to him the difference between what is on t.v and the real world.
He understands that when something happens in reality, there are no do-overs and you can't just change the channel and make it go away.

I hope that the young man is able to have his hand repaired, he has a lot of life left ahead.
 
That's sad to be punished the rest of your life for a believing that a lock won't fail. I used to collect those type of knives. I eventually realized my dad's old eye brand stockman would cut anything he wanted it to and still have two sharp blades if the first blade got dull.
 
I have a cousin who, on the way back from a college class, decided to take up wood carving. He didn't have a good pocket knife, so he used the electric can opener (that had a built-in sharpener) to put an edge on a butter knife. Few minutes later, he'd sliced up a tendon on his hand. That lesson cost him about $3K when it was all said and done. His hand works fine now, but he's given up wood carving with butter knives. :p
 
Every few months a thread gets posted in GF asking what to give a child as a first knife. I always recommend a slipjoint for exactly the reasons posted here. IMO, if you learn to cut without trusting a lock, you learn to cut correctly. Then when you do use a knife with a lock it does not matter if it fails or not, because you are already cutting safely.

And kudos to you, jackknife, for standing your ground and not naming the knife that failed. All mechanisms have a probability of failure.
 
I'm glad to hear that you're doing better, jackknife.

I do think that using a good slipjoint helps teach one to use a knife safely. I know prior to carrying my father's SAK, I had occasionally used locking knives in ways that were less than safe.

It's rather frightening to see locking knives fail. My brother's Chinese liner lock wore out to the point where it would unlock not unlike our beloved slipjoints. Thankfully, he used it safely enough so that he wasn't injured by it.

I guess this also helps explain my fondness of balisongs. They are very simply constructed, and the locking strength is determined by one's own hand.
 
While I hate the initial reason for the post, the context of the discussin was perfect as far as timing goes. My wife and I had theis discussion last night. My daughter is almost six (can't believe it!) and I was letting her look at one of my knives. My wife could not believe it (no one in her family (1 girl, 4 boys) ever carried a pocket knife except her dad), I told that she needed to learn how to use a knife at a young age where I could coach her, and then she would understand them later. Wife wants a locking knife, I will use this as a reason to start with a SAK.
 
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