Sage 2 lock wear?

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Michael Riley

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I recently purchaced a Sage 2 as my first titanium folder. I've read a lot about titanium locks wearing from things like fast flicking or just general opening over long periods of time. I can't help but flick this knife open fast. And I play with it all the time... It's going to be my primary EDC for quite a while. It's at about 40% now. What should I expect for lock wear over time? Is flicking it hard going to make a huge difference with this model?
 
Michael Riley said:
I recently purchaced a Sage 2 as my first titanium folder. I've read a lot about titanium locks wearing from things like fast flicking or just general opening over long periods of time. I can't help but flick this knife open fast. And I play with it all the time... It's going to be my primary EDC for quite a while. It's at about 40% now. What should I expect for lock wear over time? Is flicking it hard going to make a huge difference with this model?
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What do you think? if it feels like your gonna damage it, then you probably will.
 
singularity35 said:
What do you think? if it feels like your gonna damage it, then you probably will.
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It doesn't "feel" like I'm going to damage it at all. I'm just worried from what I have read on the forums and seen on youtube. I have no experience with titanium frame locks though. For the price, I would expect it to be just fine, but then again, Sebenza manuals (I believe) say not to do that with their knives which are made of the same titanium, plus heat treated (as far as I know). I'm still learning, so I'm really not too sure!
 
I had mine reground and carried it for about a year, it is now about 80%. Still no blade play, but it has moved. Great slicer
 
I' ve had mine for almost 2 years and it did move very slightly, but barely noticable. Never had any blade play.
I also pretty much always flick it with my thumbnail.
 
Michael Riley said:
It doesn't "feel" like I'm going to damage it at all. I'm just worried from what I have read on the forums and seen on youtube. I have no experience with titanium frame locks though. For the price, I would expect it to be just fine, but then again, Sebenza manuals (I believe) say not to do that with their knives which are made of the same titanium, plus heat treated (as far as I know). I'm still learning, so I'm really not too sure!
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I had a small sebenza for two years an it sounds like you do what I did: handled it a lot. I never opened it with a strong flick, but I did open and close it often. After a year and a half the lock face started chipping and before long I had a broken sebenza. Chris Reeve wouldn't believe me that I didn't abuse the knife so they wouldn't fix it or replace it under warranty. Long story short I now avoid titanium frame locks as I think they're the weakest lock out there. I would get a sage 1 if I were you and make a frankenspyder: titanium face, carbon fiber liner lock side
 
My sage 2 has been at 40-50% for a long while now. At first it was around 30% and a little sticky. It smoothed out and settled in.
 
When I look at the blade/lock interface on my Techno, it looks like the more it wears, the better. The blade interface isn't a flat ramp. It's more of a concave surface. As the titanium and steel start to wear, the lock goes deeper but the blade interface gets more severe. I can't explain it very well but from a design standpoint, I don't see how my Techno could ever 'wear' so that the lock up was any less solid. The Sebenza however has a completely different theory in designing that interface.
 
Michael Riley said:
I recently purchaced a Sage 2 as my first titanium folder. I've read a lot about titanium locks wearing from things like fast flicking or just general opening over long periods of time. I can't help but flick this knife open fast. And I play with it all the time... It's going to be my primary EDC for quite a while. It's at about 40% now. What should I expect for lock wear over time? Is flicking it hard going to make a huge difference with this model?
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When you say "fast," do you mean fast thumb-flicks, wrist flicks, or something else?
 
If you're looking for a reason to worry, I'm sure you'll find one.



Instead, don't worry, be happy.
Life is short.


Some obvious things:
1. The harder you open it, the faster it will wear out.
2. If you never use it, it will last forever.
3. :D
 
I've had one for about a year (I think) and I have used it a lot and I have noticed no difference, though I can't say I flick the knife open.
 
the trouble with framelocks is there's no such thing as a 'soft' opening for them. the lock bar drops into and scrapes the tang with each opening. there's sure to be wear regardless. maybe a little dry lubricant will help. flicking is hard on the stop pin. wear on the lockbar is constant with each opening. it's the same as wanting to extend the life of a prized vintage car: don't rev it up all the time, don't go at high speed, don't drive it everyday.
 
Nullity said:
If you're looking for a reason to worry, I'm sure you'll find one.



Instead, don't worry, be happy.
Life is short.


Some obvious things:
1. The harder you open it, the faster it will wear out.
2. If you never use it, it will last forever.
3. :D
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Haha this is true. I guess I'll just use the hell out of it, and if it breaks or wears out, lesson learned!
Thanks for the replies all!
 
Nullity said:
If you're looking for a reason to worry, I'm sure you'll find one.



Instead, don't worry, be happy.
Life is short.


Some obvious things:
1. The harder you open it, the faster it will wear out.
2. If you never use it, it will last forever.
3. :D
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Darn! This is full of wisdom.
 
I bought a used and abused Buck Mayo (ti frame lock). The lockup was still fine at about 40%. Stayed that way for 2 years until the ball detent fell out and Buck replaced the side for free. I've had that for about 2 years with little or no wear. I flick it open often. Use and enjoy the knife, it won't wear out before you find one you love more :)

Often when any liner type lock moves over too far it is due to a loose pivot or front handle screw, not wear on the face of the lock. Tightening up the screws will solve this.
 
Hi Michael,

Welcome to our forum.

I don't think you'll have a problem. If you do, we'll fix it one way or another.

sal
 
Sorry to bring back a post but I wanted some clarity. Sal said if the lock wears out then it will be fixed "one way or another".

I'm really curious what this one way is or what the other option could be. Let's say the lock wears out in six years. The knife won't be made for that long and Taiwan is a long ways away. Will parts be available? He implies it will be fixed so Spyderco wont just say the knife has exceeded its useful lifespan. Could a new slightly larger stop pin be fitted? Are they going to make a new handle? Even if one was willing to pay for the repair, how would it be made?
 
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