SAK Soldier

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I haven't owned a SAK since I was probably 7, but hearing you guys talk about the Farmer/Soldier, I had to get one. Soldier came in the mail today. What a nice knife! Wow. I'm super impressed. It is going to get some serious pocket time...I can tell already. :thumbup:
 
They are incredible for their price range! I have the Pioneer which is if I'm not mistaken the same but with a key chain ring.
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Congrats. Before I was truly bitten by the knife bug I carried the Wenger SI for years. Never really wished I had something different at the time.
 
For the past couple years I've had a SAK tinker in my back pocket beside my wallet...sooooo handy, I'd recommend a SAK to anyone.
 
The Soldier is the only knife I own that I truly couldn't live without. It has been my constant companion since 2003... in my pocket ever day I've had pockets.

The alox is beat up and the blade has a few scratches, but the walk n talk is just as good as the day I bought it.

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I'm sitting around tonight having some good beer and reading a pretty good book. The Soldier opened my beer for me.

Great knife and enjoy it.
 
I'm not a fan of metal handled knives, but that alox is a whole different animal. It has a warm feeling to it.
I don't know how they do it. I have 2 Pioneers, but I'd like to get one of the tinted Soldiers or Farmers.
Enjoy it!
Doc
 
I've been messing with this knife all day and I don't get it. What's wrong with America? I get flawless rough riders for less than $10. The buck I just got was like 35 and it is not super flawed, but certainly not flawless. Last case I bought new...only case I've ever bought new...had to be sent back.

Paid 23 for the SAK and I'll be damned if it isn't pretty much perfect. I'm not trying to hate on the USA. I just don't get it. You could argue cheap labor and demand for jobs in China, but how do the swiss pull it off? This is a serious Q.

Most of my knives are old (pre-80s) US knives and they are pretty perfect. What the hell happened?
 
I've been messing with this knife all day and I don't get it. What's wrong with America? I get flawless rough riders for less than $10. The buck I just got was like 35 and it is not super flawed, but certainly not flawless. Last case I bought new...only case I've ever bought new...had to be sent back.

Paid 23 for the SAK and I'll be damned if it isn't pretty much perfect. I'm not trying to hate on the USA. I just don't get it. You could argue cheap labor and demand for jobs in China, but how do the swiss pull it off? This is a serious Q.

Most of my knives are old (pre-80s) US knives and they are pretty perfect. What the hell happened?

A very valid question, and something I have wondered myself. I've always felt that Victorinox is a knife company that sets a standard that I use to compare other brands. Fit and finish out of the box is most certainly running a much higher percentage of perfect knives than other brands. The smooth function of the blades is better than most, with no thumb nail breaking springs, but very good walk and talk. Switzerland is a modern nation, not some third world dollar a day labor pool. They manage to assemble a knife with at least 4 blades/tools almost perfect, ship them all the way over here, and still sell them for less than a domestic product with less even out of the box quality control.

I think it all starts with perfect machining of the parts. Looking down in a Vic, all parts seem to be finished better, with a very high finish on backsprings, blade tangs. The better made the individual parts, the better the finished product when it's all together. Victorinox uses some of the most modern high speed CNC machining centers, while U.S. companies are going out of business with older obsolete machines because they were too cheap to spend money on better stuff. When Schrade went out a few years ago, the pictures of the machines being hauled out of there were a statement in itself. Old mills and lathes that belonged in another era. I was a machinist by trade, and I know old worn out of date machines when I see them. Same for Camillus. It's a very competitive industry, and if you don't spend the money on the latest production machining, you're going to fall behind. Victorinox has the most modern cutlery production factory in the world. They spit out more knives in a month, than most of the U.S. companies do in a year. You can't run at Indy with a 5 year old car, and you can't make lots of perfect knives with 10 year old machines, let alone 20 year old ones. The company I worked for, got rid of all our mills and lathes every 5 years and bought new ones. Being a defense contractor, tight specs had to be held, and machines used everyday wear out. Plus the new ones had higher spindle speeds, better design. Stuff gets better and you have to keep up.

Looking at the 1950's era pocket knives I've had, this kind of quality used to be standard. The old Case knives from the 40's and 50's were better than modern ones, although I think Case has gotten way better in the last few years. I have seen some perfect chestnut bone Case's that rivaled the old ones.

If you really want to try a nice pocket knife, get a Victorinox pioneer settler. It's on the soldier frame, but it's a slim two blade pen knife layout. Very trim and flat in the pocket, great fit and finish, and like all the other Vic alox, built like a tank.

Carl.
 
One of my longest-term EDCs is a Pioneer (an Alox Soldier with a lanyard ring that I keep a pair of Photo Freedom lights attached to). I keep a Farmer (a Pioneer with a saw blade added) in my hunting survival pack. They are never the only knife with me but they are often the most useful. :thumbup:

For the past couple years I've had a SAK tinker in my back pocket beside my wallet...sooooo handy, I'd recommend a SAK to anyone.
 
Hi,

Thanks for the reminder! I went and dug out my Alox Soldier. It's been awhile since I've had it out and about. I kind of stopped carrying it went they quit making them.

Honestly, I think if I had known about the Soldier and the Farmer when I was young, I would never have carried a Stockman.

dale
 
A very valid question, and something I have wondered myself. I've always felt that Victorinox is a knife company that sets a standard that I use to compare other brands. Fit and finish out of the box is most certainly running a much higher percentage of perfect knives than other brands. The smooth function of the blades is better than most, with no thumb nail breaking springs, but very good walk and talk. Switzerland is a modern nation, not some third world dollar a day labor pool. They manage to assemble a knife with at least 4 blades/tools almost perfect, ship them all the way over here, and still sell them for less than a domestic product with less even out of the box quality control.

I think it all starts with perfect machining of the parts. Looking down in a Vic, all parts seem to be finished better, with a very high finish on backsprings, blade tangs. The better made the individual parts, the better the finished product when it's all together. Victorinox uses some of the most modern high speed CNC machining centers, while U.S. companies are going out of business with older obsolete machines because they were too cheap to spend money on better stuff. When Schrade went out a few years ago, the pictures of the machines being hauled out of there were a statement in itself. Old mills and lathes that belonged in another era. I was a machinist by trade, and I know old worn out of date machines when I see them. Same for Camillus. It's a very competitive industry, and if you don't spend the money on the latest production machining, you're going to fall behind. Victorinox has the most modern cutlery production factory in the world. They spit out more knives in a month, than most of the U.S. companies do in a year. You can't run at Indy with a 5 year old car, and you can't make lots of perfect knives with 10 year old machines, let alone 20 year old ones. The company I worked for, got rid of all our mills and lathes every 5 years and bought new ones. Being a defense contractor, tight specs had to be held, and machines used everyday wear out. Plus the new ones had higher spindle speeds, better design. Stuff gets better and you have to keep up.

Looking at the 1950's era pocket knives I've had, this kind of quality used to be standard. The old Case knives from the 40's and 50's were better than modern ones, although I think Case has gotten way better in the last few years. I have seen some perfect chestnut bone Case's that rivaled the old ones.

If you really want to try a nice pocket knife, get a Victorinox pioneer settler. It's on the soldier frame, but it's a slim two blade pen knife layout. Very trim and flat in the pocket, great fit and finish, and like all the other Vic alox, built like a tank.

Carl.

I think you're right, Carl. I watched a short video tour of the factory last night...can't find it now...but every part of the knife was gorgeous. And the blade grind was aligned with lasers. There was still a lot of hands on, but it was such an efficient and beautiful process. It's sad that we can't step it up, but I think you highlighted the reasons well. You remind me, too. I had your standard SAK wonder knife when I was a kid, but an uncle also gave me a slim, two bladed red alox. Don't know what ever happened to it. My best guess would be it is in my Dad's sock drawer. :) It was sweet.
 
I hope you're not tired of seeing my favorite knife. I certainly have respect for Victorinox. I love their alox knives, they are some of the most useful and practical pocket knives around. You can't beat the quality for the price.

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My older brother sent me a gift card for Christmas.
Prowling the card issuer's website I stumbled across the oldstyle
Soldier with the Final Production Run blade etch combined with
Derek Jackson's SAK book for grand total of $25 and free shippin'.

I thought the FPRs were all gone and other places sell the book
for about $20. Seemed like a no brainer to me.
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Railsplitter, I have seen a lot of posts w/folks commenting on how much they like their cadet.
I have a green one as #2 edc. I can't imagine you not loving yours just as much.
Anyone know why Vick discontinued the other colors besides silver?
 
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That's a heck of a deal there, woseyjales.

Nice knife too! Gotta love those Alox SAK's.
 
Love the Vic Alox series of knives! I edc a Rancher, which is like the Pioneer except with a hawksbill instead of the can opener. My son and daughter both carry Farmers, my pops carries the Pioneer Harvester (Farmer w/hawksbill instead of can opener) and I keep an Electrician Plus (Farmer w/modified sheeps foot instead of can opener) in my BOB. All were flawless out of the box, with consistant pull/walk/snap.
 
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