Sal! How's about a fix blade Spyderco neck knife?

misque

misque

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Yeah, I know!
If you had a dollar for every time someone suggested a new product you could close the factory and retire on the money from the suggestions and put the kids thru college!

BUT!

I was admiring my Military last night and the thought occured to me that it would be so nice to have it in a 3.5" fixed blade format set up for neck or belt carry. I realize the Moran's are there for belt carry, however, they are not really flat enough to use for neck carry.
Also, a CPM440V neck knife from Spyderco would just about be the ultimate expression of perfection in the whole neck knife gendre. The epitome. The peak. Who could POSSIBLY do it better?!

Just a thought...

BTW Just got my Sharpmaker video. Loved the video, great tips, but especially loved the commercials (did I say that?) at the end. Very well done. I hope to see the idiot box flooded with them. Hope you can get some time slots during the NFL games.

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I'm gonna agree with misque that this is a HOT market you might want to move into (since Spydercos seems to be exploring fixed-blades anyhow), but I'd propose something a bit different.

I feel that a neck knife should be wearable 24-7 in any state of dress and any conditions. That means 440V is right out - rusts to easily to take in the shower or carry next to your skin. Possibly BDC or Talonite if you want to stay high-end, otherwise a well-polished stainless taht's less rust-prone, such as AUS-8.

I also think that 3.5" + handle is pretty large for all-the-time carry. Doable, but something smaller would be comfier and less noticeable. I think you should even be able to sleep while wearing it. This also requires a really innovative, well-thought-out sheath that is set up specifically for the knife. It must be secure and easily released, but have virtually no possibility of the knife coming free by accident.

I'm still highly skeptical of the "defensive" neck knife concept, and for general utility I think a belt knife or clipped folder is easier to get to under most conditions. But a neck knife gives the wearer the unique opportunity to always have something sharp on his/her person, fixing nature's oversight. For my $0.02, I think this 24-7 utility carry should be the primary objective behind a neck knife design.

Want some drawings?

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-Corduroy
"Why else would a bear want a pocket?"

Little Bear Knives
Drew Gleason:
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I gotta admit that I think that it would be a good idea for your sales anyway...I know that I would get one. I just bought two neck knives in the past week.




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~Keith~
"War to the knife and knife to the hilt"

 
Yep,
A very good point about the 440V and rust.
VG10 would be a better choice.
Now that you bring it up, a blade right about the 3 to 3 1/4" range would probably be more prudent. I have a couple of neck knives in the 3.5" to 3.75" range and they are not too bad but they do print a little more than one like the Fang and they are heavier to boot.
What I was thinking was to retain the forward cant like the Military. I find that cant to be quite useful for kitchen work and such and as a possible defense knife, it would prove to be equally useful.
I really think the market may be right for a Spyderco neck knife. Include an option for belt or IWB carry and it's a complete package.

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The individualist without strategy who takes opponents lightly will inevitably become the captive of others.


 
Sal,
I'm too proud to beg, but I've got to agree with these fine people. Maybe a nice ATS-55 serrated spearpoint? Call it 2.75 inches, just to be this side of the 3 inch margin.

Oh no, I've another idea! A small recurve or hawksbill?! Not to capitalize on the Fred Perrin frenzy, but it is a neat and valid design for a utility blade!
-Jim
 
I know this is Sal's private hell, "Attack of the SKUs", but I also think the neck knife a good idea. Just my .02
 
i havnt tried a neck knife, and so im probably missing the point. but i dont see myself buying one anytime soon.

im never more than an arms length or two from a good folder, and i just dont see the need.

on the other hand i never take my watch off, as it feels wrong when its not there.

ok, rambling now....must.....stop....typing...

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'Till next time,
Rich the kite guy
 
TheBeak,
You've got a good point. Neck knives are not for everyone. I would like to add that the sheath for a possible future "Spyderneck" should also be able to have a clip that could be screwed on if one would rather have that option.
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~Keith~
"War to the knife and knife to the hilt"

 
Funny you would mention that. Eduard Bradichansky designed a very interesting neck knife. His wife was wearing one when I met him. I should be receiving a sample that he made for me just before he passed on. Different concept, but very interesting.

It is truly a loss to the knife world that Eduard passed. He did so well on the Shabaria, SpyderCard and his neck knife that I had several other "historical" concept knives I had hoped he would design for Spyderco.

I would have to agree with Corduroy & Misque on the steel though. VG10 would be best in stainless. not quite as corrossion resistant as 440C, but more so than AUS8 and a better edgeholder. However, cobalt might be the key. I am currently ginding a small fixed blade Civilian style blade from Stellite. Just under 3" blade. It's designed for horizontal sheath carry, but could work for a neck sheath. I'll ship it to Mike Sastre when I finish it.

sal
 
There you go again, Sal!
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You know what's coming... when do you think we might have a peek?

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i love the idea of a small, flat fixed blade. but like some others, i'm not totally sold on the neck knife concept. if you could make a one with a modulat type sheath that included IWB carry, i'd buy it. especially with VG10 steel. sal, since you were saying about a small civilian, why not just make a fixed blade harpy? i have to say, that is the most useful knife i've ever had! thanks for all your fine products.
 
TheBeak,

i havnt tried a neck knife, and so im probably missing the point.
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Yep, you are missing the point
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. I felt the same way, until I decided that the REKAT UNK was just too neat a design, and a good deal for the money, to pass up. So I ordered one, and just LOVE it. Yeah, I find myself most of the time just using my Native (especially since carrying a fixed blade is illegal where I live). But, it's just a great comfort knowing it's there, and it does get used. It works especially well under a sweater, sweatshirt, or overshirt, now that it is getting cooler. Is even handier than a clipped folder now. You should take a look; no collection is complete without at least one neck knife
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Sal,

Sorry, wouldn't be interested in a "civilian" style neck knife. Too limited in utility to my mind.

The idea of a SpyderCo neck knife with a MCS, like REKAT's, is appealing. I would want the neck knife to be lightweight and small print to be barely noticable for the wearer and others. This means 7" and under (Not talking "defensive" capability as a priority) and probably no more than 1/8" thick. Problem with some neck knives is the sureness of grip or lack of. So I would want thin micarta or G10 scales to fatten up the handle but not add on weight. I would want a pronounced finger choil/index. To my mind, a modified Native fits the bill if you eliminate the first choil where tang/pivot area is, deepen the finger index slightly and slap on scales to the handle. YEAH! A Native Neck Knife!

sing

AKTI #A000356
 
Sing, you just almost described a knife I drew up that I'm hoping to get made for me one of these days. Although, I went a bit larger than the Native, not really a neck knife, per se, but could be used for that.
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Outlaw_Dogboy

[This message has been edited by Outlaw_Dogboy (edited 02 November 1999).]
 
Like a lot of us, I could give enough of my preferences to fill this entire page but at this moment a neck knife for sure!! Absolutely! Specs could be worked out at the appropriate time.

L8r,
Nakano
 
How about something that would benefit from economies of scale. For instance, there has been talk about a drop point version of the Moran.

Use the same blade without the handle for the neck knife. The sheath would almost be the same too. The only part that would need to be reworked would be the tang of the knife. The metal itself could be shaped some, perhaps some holes to lighten it, and/or a very thin version of the regular handle. Attention would have to be paid to the design to keep the fingers from slipping forward onto the blade (for defensive or general use) without diminishing the utility of the knife for cutting/slicing say in food preparation.

If the knife could be balanced for throwing so much the better....not that I am sure that I would want to...or that stainless VG10 would be appropriate for throwing...but since most knifeknuts have more than one knife, it would not necessarily be taking a chance on throwing ones only knife away. Also, once again assuming more than one knife, it could be used as a spear point in an emergency...the holes would help in various binding techniques...(in the spirit of those bear defense threads...or in a survival situation where you have caught more dinner than you counted on).

Lastly, I have heard of the holes in a knife being used to straighten arrow shafts (scraping?).
 
Another Yes vote for a neck (or MCS) knife-
I have every confidence that Sal & friends have the smarts & the aesthetic sense to produce another crackerjack of a knife.


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Runs With Scissors
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We would probably not consider a traditional fixed blade design for a neck knife. We have never "followed" the main stream.

We'll produce a design if there is a big "hole" in the market for product available or go into other markets. Or if the designs available can be improved upon for function.

I'm not a big fan of fixed blade neck knives for safety reasons. I also thik that Fred Perrin's design would be very difficult to improve on.

sal

 
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