Sam Houston's Bowie on the Auction Block

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From the Houston Chronicle

Texas History goes on the auction block

The old knife with the scratched blade and the cracked wooden handle stared down the Mexican army at the Battle of San Jacinto, but a family feud proved too much for it.

The Bowie knife that Gen. Sam Houston carried into the battle for independence remained a revered artifact in Texas for 166 years. Now, it is in a vault at Little John's Auction Service in Orange, Calif., where it will be sold Sunday to the highest bidder.

Some Texans are not happy about the development. "If there is one common thread of all people in Texas, it's their pride in state history. There's just no denying that," said Tom Wancho, an exhibits planning assistant at the Bob Bullock Texas State History Museum in Austin.

Other curators were more staid but just as adamant in their reaction to the news.

"I think things that are important to Texas and important to the heroes of Texas should be available to and enjoyed by the public," said Mac Woodward, curator at the Sam Houston Museum in Huntsville.

For 60 years the knife was on public display.

Sam Houston gave it to Solomon Fisher, the 10-year-old son of his neighbor. The knife was passed from generation to generation of the Fisher family.

In 1940, the Fisher family lent the knife to the San Jacinto Museum of History in La Porte, where it stayed until it went on display at the Bob Bullock Museum when it opened last year.

Today, there are four descendants of Solomon Fisher, some in the Houston area, some elsewhere.

A descendent who asked not to be identified because "a lot of people are upset about (the knife) being taken from Texas" said the family put it up for sale because they didn't know what to do with it.

The heirs knew they owned some items on display at the San Jacinto Museum, but they never thought much about them until they were contacted by curators two years ago.

The museum was cataloguing its collection and wanted to clarify the agreements it had with artifact owners, said museum President George Donnelly.

"We asked them, `What's your pleasure? Do you want to donate it to us? Do you want to keep it on loan? Do you want us to return it?' " Donnelly said.

The Fisher family couldn't decide.

"I think it was just too many of us to decide what to do with it," the woman said.

So they chose to sell it and let someone else worry about where it should go.

For what it's worth, the Fisher family member said she hopes "it comes back to Texas."

There is some precedent for that.

When a portrait of Jim Bowie, whose name is forever linked with the big, rough-hewn knives used on the frontier, went up for sale at a California auction last year, the Texas Historical Commission and the State Preservation Board got together and paid $321,875 for it. The painting is on display in the Capitol.

Auctioneer John Gangel, owner of Little John's, said there is a lot of interest in the knife, including from some museums and collectors. Gangel expects the knife to sell for between $25,000 and $75,000, but bidding could drive the price higher, he said.

Museum curators are hoping the high bidder has ties to Texas.

Wancho said the Bob Bullock Museum frequently receives telephone calls from Texans with significant artifacts who offer to lend them to the museum.

"We've actually got some objects on display right now that came from people who visited the museum and who called," Wancho said. "There are real serious collectors who don't want to share, but there are also people who have had things passed down from generation to generation."

Gangel said Bowie knife collectors also are interested in the knife.

The old knife certainly has character. It is huge, 20 inches long with a blade that is 13.5 inches long and more than 2 inches across. It is so big that museums called it a short sword, an inaccurate description, Gangel said.

"It's the kind of knife Texicans would have carried," Gangel said. "He wouldn't have had a frilly knife made in England. He wasn't going to spend what would've been three months pay at that time when virtually every blacksmith could make a knife."

Woodward of the Sam Houston Museum said the knife is a significant piece of Texas history.

"I think Sam Houston still stands as the most important figure in Texas history," he said.

Sam Houston IV of Huntsville, the general's great-grandson, said he, too, would like to see the knife displayed in a museum. He has donated his artifacts, including one of Sam Houston's famous walking canes, to the Sam Houston Museum.

Still, Houston doesn't begrudge the decision to sell the knife.

"We're a country where we can buy and sell things. That's the great thing about our country. (The sale) is just one of those things that happens," he said.
 
I'm glad its staying in Texas.
If anybody is in Austin I highly recommend visiting the Bob Bullock Texas State History Museum. Very cool place.
 
$297,000 doesn't go as far as it use to. History aside, Sam Huston had a remarkably simple knife. It is a good thing the knife gets to remain in Texas. Let's hope this unique piece of history is goes back on public display soon.

n2s
 
No, sorry, I won't be passing that one around. And I'm not gonna let Cliff Stamp anywhere near it either!

:D
 
It should have never left Texas in the first Place...:mad:


In the Article it said the 4 people couldn't decide what to do with it.....Yeah right.:mad:

They had $$$$$$$$ in their minds...:rolleyes:

The right thing to do would have been to donate it to a Museum, not sell it to line their pockets...:rolleyes:


But at least it ended up in the right place..

I born in Dallas and lived on a farm in Northern Texas and this whole thing really pisses me off...
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
No, sorry, I won't be passing that one around. And I'm not gonna let Cliff Stamp anywhere near it either!

:D

Yea, but how does it compare to a Sebenza? :D :p :D :p

(Sorry, I HAD to do that. Forgive me.)
 
Originally posted by Ankerson
It should have never left Texas in the first Place...:mad:


In the Article it said the 4 people couldn't decide what to do with it.....Yeah right.:mad:

They had $$$$$$$$ in their minds...:rolleyes:

The right thing to do would have been to donate it to a Museum, not sell it to line their pockets...:rolleyes:


But at least it ended up in the right place..

I born in Dallas and lived on a farm in Northern Texas and this whole thing really pisses me off...

I don't know how thats "the right thing to do"

Sure is easy to say that when you are not the owner. I don't know these people or their situation. I do know that for someone who makes $20k a year one forth of the proceeds of that auction can go a long way to allowing them a bit more comfortable lifestyle.

No matter what, the bottom line is that it was their knife. sam Houston gave it to the kid. that kid gave it to another and so on. I would love to see it on display. Does that mean I would donate it? Hells no.

For those who think it should be donated, they can always "do the right thing" and buy it themselves and then donate it to the museum.

Don't have the bucks? Then you really oughtn't tell others who have the piece what they should do with it. If one could afford it and did not, thats fine as well, but they should not denounce the actions of this family.

Works or art,knives, artifacts, etc. can all be placed in museums and many are. However, they are also bought and sold all the time. That is the right of an owner of a piece of property.
 
I certainly don't have a problem with the owners selling the knife at auction. After all, it is their property to do with as they wish.
I am glad though, that it will go back to Texas.
 
Sure is easy to say that when you are not the owner. I don't know these people or their situation. I do know that for someone who makes $20k a year one forth of the proceeds of that auction can go a long way to allowing them a bit more comfortable lifestyle.


If someone only makes 20k a year, it their own choice that they make that money.

There are alot of people out there who have tought themselves a trade or went back to school to improve their lifestyles....(I am one of those, nobody helped me, I did it myself)

So no I don't fell sorry for someone who makes 20k a year.


Back in 1986 when I first go out of the Marines my first job paid $5.00 an hour....After trying to get into the Police Force a number of times...(Politics...Afirmitive action stopped me) I decieded to goback to School....Paid my own way..

Then after 2 years of College all the jobs dried up in Maryland...I was in the Grocery business ($12.00/hr). I moved to NC and went back into the Grocery business again and started learning Computers on my own. I got some jobs through temp places to get the on job experience in different IT fields....

Today I am employeed by a great company....with all the bennies....:D

And I did it all by myself, with no handouts from anyone..

I am not rich by any means, but I make enough that I don't have any money problems..
 
Originally posted by Ankerson
If someone only makes 20k a year, it their own choice that they make that money.

There are alot of people out there who have tought themselves a trade or went back to school to improve their lifestyles....(I am one of those, nobody helped me, I did it myself)

So no I don't fell sorry for someone who makes 20k a year.


Back in 1986 when I first go out of the Marines my first job paid $5.00 an hour....After trying to get into the Police Force a number of times...(Politics...Afirmitive action stopped me) I decieded to goback to School....Paid my own way..

Then after 2 years of College all the jobs dried up in Maryland...I was in the Grocery business ($12.00/hr). I moved to NC and went back into the Grocery business again and started learning Computers on my own. I got some jobs through temp places to get the on job experience in different IT fields....

Today I am employeed by a great company....with all the bennies....:D

And I did it all by myself, with no handouts from anyone..

I am not rich by any means, but I make enough that I don't have any money problems..
Edited, because my remark was just so damn snide.
 
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