Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge, international unlocked versions

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How does the Galaxy S7 Edge International edition (with the Samsung chip) fair against the US Snapdragon version? Any issues in the USA with the international version?

I don't want a locked in carrier contract so, I am wondering if the International G935F is a good choice? Any special issues or concerns to be worried about? Also, what are everyones thoughts on cases for it (hoping some earlier adopters have experience with this phone)?

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The International G935F with Exynos is very comparable to the Snapdragon 820 one. You can check out the synthetic benchmarks in GSMArena's review. The SD820 is a tad better with graphics benchmarks (gaming), but the difference is so minor that it doesn't matter - either will play any game you can download (if that's your thing). On a side-note, Samsung actually makes a lot of chips for Qualcomm.

The international one has all the right bands to use with AT&T and T-Mobile and their respective MVNOs and subsidiaries. It won't work with Verizon or Sprint (or their MVNOs).

Samsung does this weird thing with some of their global models where the device is only unlocked after you put the right SIM card in. I've only read about it being with the S7/S7 Edge models and ones from Europe. You have to put a European SIM card in it first, then you can use one from any other region. If it's "European SIM card only" and you try using an American one, it won't work unless you used a European one first.

http://www.androidcentral.com/your-unlocked-euro-galaxy-s7-still-region-locked-thats-not-huge-deal

So you should make sure to check with your seller (eBay, Amazon, B&H, etc) before buying.

I don't know if the international version comes with Samsung Pay. If not, you might be able to still download it. I don't know. And perhaps you won't care anyway.

I'm also not sure about KNOX security on the international one. There's 2 aspects of KNOX. One is to separate personal from business (so work/government emails don't get mixed up with personal, and the such). The other is related to the bootloader and flashing unofficial firmwares. If you're in to that kind of thing, the international one is the way to go, because the American S7s have a locked bootloader (even the T-Mobile one). If you have no idea what I'm talking about, just forget the last few sentences and move on.

If you don't mind paying the outright price of $750, getting the international G935F seems like the way to go. A co-worker of mine just got the S7 Edge, and it's a slick device. 5.5" screen, just like my OnePlus One, but it looks and feels much smaller overall due to the curved bezel-less screen. Or maybe it just seems smaller because I'm using a Nexus 6 now.

A few tips. Turn of S-Voice. It's redundant to Google Now, and it slows the phone down. It's activated by double tapping the home button, and because of that, when you tap the home button it waits to see if you're double tapping it, which gives the appearance of "lag". Turn that off. There's a bunch of stuff you can turn off or disable in the app manager, but google it first so you don't disable the wrong thing and have to do a factory reset. Also, it ships with Android Marshmallow 6.0 which has the ability to once again move apps to the SD card, but for some reason Samsung disabled that. There's a workaround thoguh(just google it)

The real advantage is that it's not from a carrier. That means you won't get all the useless carrier bloatware. It also means you'll get quicker updates, because it won't have to wait for the carriers to approve the update, add their crap, send it back to Samsung, get it back (and back and forth etc if necessary), before you get the update weeks or months later, or if at all.

The only other option would be to get a 2nd-hand one off of swappa or eBay or wherever that's been unlocked from T-Mobile or AT&T, or have a friend with one of those carriers buy one for you and then get it unlocked with a code (probably costing an additional $30-40).

A few tips:

Turn off S-Voice. It's redundant and inferior to Google Now. S-Voice is activated by double tapping the home button. So when you press the home button, it's waiting to see if you're going to press it again, giving the appearance of lag (plus it's annoying as $@#! when it keeps loading up and you don't want it to). Turn that off. It's been a while so I don't quite remember, but I think you have to load it, go into some settings from there and turn it off from there; you won't find it in the system settings, which Samsung has to make as convoluted and confusing as possible. Of course, my S4 is still on KitKat, so maybe that's changed.

Turn off/disable all the other garbage you don't need. Samsung takes the "kitchen sink" approach with TouchWiz (although it's not quite as bad now as it used to be), so there'll be a whole lot of other crap that's irrelevant to you. Don't just go randomly disabling stuff though, google it first. Otherwise you might disable the wrong thing and be forced to do a factory reset. If you're not comfortable with doing it, then don't. The phone should be fast enough even with all the extra crap.

Marshmallow brings back the ability to move apps to the SD card, but for some reason Samsung didn't use it. There's a workaround though. Apps loaded from the SD card will load slower (which I'm guessing is why Samsung disabled it?), so only bother doing it if it's an app you rarely use, or it's a big game.

Finally, the phone will have quick charge capability. Unless you need to, don't use it. The heat caused by the charge/discharge cycle is what kills batteries over time, and the S7s don't have an easily replaceable battery. Quick charge is nice when you need it, but otherwise just use an old 1A charger or the USB on your computer. You don't need to go from 27% to 100% in 45 minutes when you're home after work, taken your shoes off and watching Netflix.

I can't tell you anything about cases. I use Diztronic TPU cases on all my phones (yes, I have 4 phones, don't judge), but maybe you want more protection? I'll ask my co-worker what case he has and what he thinks of it.
 
The international one has all the right bands to use with AT&T and T-Mobile and their respective MVNOs and subsidiaries. It won't work with Verizon or Sprint (or their MVNOs).

I gave up on Verizon. The cost of their plans was twice what I'm currently paying with Straight Talk and I get a lot more 4G LTE data before I'm throttled. I also like unlocked phones because they aren't saddled with a bunch of @#$^% that is generally worthless IMHO and just wastes space and slows everything down. AT&T GSM also works better were I live now and is generally very good where I travel.

Samsung does this weird thing with some of their global models where the device is only unlocked after you put the right SIM card in. I've only read about it being with the S7/S7 Edge models and ones from Europe. You have to put a European SIM card in it first, then you can use one from any other region. If it's "European SIM card only" and you try using an American one, it won't work unless you used a European one first.

http://www.androidcentral.com/your-unlocked-euro-galaxy-s7-still-region-locked-thats-not-huge-deal

Thanks for the heads up on that issue. I'm not really worried about foreign outlets for the charger but, I would be bummed getting a new ~$700 phone that won't work until someone sends me a sim card from Europe.

So you should make sure to check with your seller (eBay, Amazon, B&H, etc) before buying.

Thanks! I sure will.

I don't know if the international version comes with Samsung Pay. If not, you might be able to still download it. I don't know. And perhaps you won't care anyway.

From my prior professional life I knew enough to never do anything financial on a cellphone - PERIOD. I am working cellphone software development now so, I won't load credit cards or any financial information on a cellphone now that I am seeing how this stuff works first hand. I do not trust Apple or Google or any of the Android derivatives to protect me from side channel attacks, man-in-the-middle attacks, and a myriad of other attack vectors. Samsung Pay sounds nice but, I don't trust my cellphone enough to use it even with the better cellphone security software installed and current with hourly updates.

I'm also not sure about KNOX security on the international one. There's 2 aspects of KNOX. One is to separate personal from business (so work/government emails don't get mixed up with personal, and the such). The other is related to the bootloader and flashing unofficial firmwares. If you're in to that kind of thing, the international one is the way to go, because the American S7s have a locked bootloader (even the T-Mobile one). If you have no idea what I'm talking about, just forget the last few sentences and move on.

If my employer wants me on call 24/7 365 days a year, they are going to have to provide me with a company cellphone and cell data plan. Same goes for a laptop too.

Personally, I think it's crazy to put personal data, email, social media profiles, etc. on a shared company asset. Dual cellphones and dual laptops overseas is a pain but, I don't want corporate big brother monitoring my personal computer use.

Custom ROMs on my OnePlus One were something I never got into. However, I need to preserve this capability when I move from the iOS side of the house to Android. In the next few months I could see my S7 getting hijacked for some software development and testing on that platform so, being able to completely wipe everything and put my own clean image back on is a significant capability I need preserve.

If you don't mind paying the outright price of $750, getting the international G935F seems like the way to go. A co-worker of mine just got the S7 Edge, and it's a slick device. 5.5" screen, just like my OnePlus One, but it looks and feels much smaller overall due to the curved bezel-less screen. Or maybe it just seems smaller because I'm using a Nexus 6 now.

I went from Verizon CDMA to a Nexus 4 to a OnePlus One (which recently overheated and died) to my current search. I really like being freed from carrier bloatware on my GSM phones with 4G LTE. The Nexus 6 is one I have considered while I wait to see what a OnePlus 3 looks like but, I think a straight up Google or Samsung is best for where my professional life is headed.

... Also, it ships with Android Marshmallow 6.0 which has the ability to once again move apps to the SD card, but for some reason Samsung disabled that. There's a workaround thoguh(just google it)

The SD card feature is really targeted at cheaper third world cellphones where an 8Mb cellphone is the norm and they want cheap SD memory for music, pictures, and videos. This SD card feature in Marshmallow 6.0 is really targeted at the "diskette crowd" though it could be used to increase app storage space if there is enough demand for it. 32Mb and 64Mb cellphones in the modern world seem to be 'enough' app space for most people so, I don't really expect to see that feature space added to most cellphones outside of the third world.

The only other option would be to get a 2nd-hand one off of swappa or eBay or wherever that's been unlocked from T-Mobile or AT&T, or have a friend with one of those carriers buy one for you and then get it unlocked with a code (probably costing an additional $30-40).

It sounds like by far the best option for me is the International version even if I can get the US Snapdragon release for the same or less money.

Turn off S-Voice. It's redundant and inferior to Google Now. S-Voice is activated by double tapping the home button. So when you press the home button, it's waiting to see if you're going to press it again, giving the appearance of lag (plus it's annoying as $@#! when it keeps loading up and you don't want it to). Turn that off. It's been a while so I don't quite remember, but I think you have to load it, go into some settings from there and turn it off from there; you won't find it in the system settings, which Samsung has to make as convoluted and confusing as possible. Of course, my S4 is still on KitKat, so maybe that's changed.

Thanks for the tip on that on that one!

Turn off/disable all the other garbage you don't need. Samsung takes the "kitchen sink" approach with TouchWiz (although it's not quite as bad now as it used to be), so there'll be a whole lot of other crap that's irrelevant to you. Don't just go randomly disabling stuff though, google it first. Otherwise you might disable the wrong thing and be forced to do a factory reset. If you're not comfortable with doing it, then don't. The phone should be fast enough even with all the extra crap.

I'm not a fan of TouchWiz and similar interfaces but, I am a software developer and not a tech challenged adult so I get why things like TouchWiz are marketed so heavily and have so much development money put into them.

Marshmallow brings back the ability to move apps to the SD card, but for some reason Samsung didn't use it. There's a workaround though. Apps loaded from the SD card will load slower (which I'm guessing is why Samsung disabled it?), so only bother doing it if it's an app you rarely use, or it's a big game.

I had a ZTE brand phone I did this with for a short while. The phone really didn't have enough local storage space so, I did the SD card thing with apps. The performance hit was tangible but, I didn't really have any other option with that device. 32Mb should be enough but apps always seem to grow into increased app space and higher performance compute platforms so, I have no illusion that 32Mb is all I will ever need in the next two years. Deleting bloatware and seldom used apps is mandatory in my world.

Finally, the phone will have quick charge capability. Unless you need to, don't use it. The heat caused by the charge/discharge cycle is what kills batteries over time, and the S7s don't have an easily replaceable battery. Quick charge is nice when you need it, but otherwise just use an old 1A charger or the USB on your computer. You don't need to go from 27% to 100% in 45 minutes when you're home after work, taken your shoes off and watching Netflix.

I totally agree with you on this. Heat kills batteries and potentially other components too. I have an iPhone 5 test mule that does a thermal shutdown if I do anything video intensive

I can't tell you anything about cases. I use Diztronic TPU cases on all my phones (yes, I have 4 phones, don't judge), but maybe you want more protection? I'll ask my co-worker what case he has and what he thinks of it.

Cellphones, Tablets and, Laptops all take a beating in my personal and professional life so, while I don't like the bulk or weight of good protection, it is mandatory for me. I hate taking a nice thin light tablet and throwing in an Otterbox but, that is better than crushing, bending, and cracking a ~$500 tablet. And no, I have no interest in doing this for 6 seconds of fame on YouTube with my nice new tablet or cellphone.
 
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I gave up on Verizon. The cost of their plans was twice what I'm currently paying with Straight Talk and I get a lot more 4G LTE data before I'm throttled. I also like unlocked phones because they aren't saddled with a bunch of @#$^% that is generally worthless IMHO and just wastes space and slows everything down. AT&T GSM also works better were I live now and is generally very good where I travel.

Yeah, I switched from AT&T to Verizon because their signal was pissing me off here. That was right after VZW did away with their Unlimited. It was fine for most of my contract, until I got laid up for a week (a stab wound in the liver will do that to ya) and couldn't pay my Cox bill, which was already overdue. So I had to use my phone's wifi for my home internet It was rooted and I bypassed the $20/mo fee, but with the overages my bills were like $150-200mo with overages. That wouldn't be bad if it were my phone bill plus cable, but I had to be extremely conservative with my data and resist stuff like youtube and...uh...other websites. Switched to T-Mobile the day my contract was over.

Thanks for the heads up on that issue. I'm not really worried about foreign outlets for the charger but, I would be bummed getting a new ~$700 phone that won't work until someone sends me a sim card from Europe.

I looked again on Amazon and they make no mention of them being European or having no warranty. Conversely, other "International" devices the seller will usually warn you that it might not have LTE and won't have warranty coverage (the Nexus 6's for example). So I don't think there'd be a problem, but you should still check. Same for B&H.

Custom ROMs on my OnePlus One were something I never got into. However, I need to preserve this capability when I move from the iOS side of the house to Android. In the next few months I could see my S7 getting hijacked for some software development and testing on that platform so, being able to completely wipe everything and put my own clean image back on is a significant capability I need preserve.

Yeah, the intenational S7 has TWRP, so backups and restores are easy. I don't know if that came from Chainfire though, I haven't really looked in to it since I'm not interested in the S7. And if you need to get back to stock, there's always Odin (although KNOX will be tripped). Good to talk to someone that speaks my language.

I went from Verizon CDMA to a Nexus 4 to a OnePlus One (which recently overheated and died) to my current search. I really like being freed from carrier bloatware on my GSM phones with 4G LTE. The Nexus 6 is one I have considered while I wait to see what a OnePlus 3 looks like but, I think a straight up Google or Samsung is best for where my professional life is headed.

You could seriously be my doppleganger. When I switched to T-Mobile I was borrowing a phone for a couple weeks, then got a cheap-ass Galaxy Light because it was all I could afford. Then I was gifted a Nexus 4 with a broken screen, which I repaired, and used the hack to enable LTE. Used that for a while until I could afford the OnePlus One. I'll probably stay away from Samsung though. I got my S4 from a co-worker for $70 to use as my home internet mule since it has a removable battery (also have a 7800mAh extended battery). I'm using a customized international TouchWiz ROM (Omega), but I really need to find something else. For one thing, it thinks I'm in the UK. The dates are in mm/dd/yy format, and I can't get the Amazon app to work because it loads amazon.co.uk. Plus, for some reason it acts really wonky at work. At home my signal is great, and I have no problems. At work my signal sucks, which is unavoidable, but the problem is the thing at times won't wake up. It's on, but it's not. And I have to reboot it. Gotta try something else. CyanogenMod or Omni or something. Sick of TouchWiz.

Odd thing is, you're not the only one I've come across that made the Verizon to Nexus 4 to OnePlus One switch either. I'd think you were him, if you didn't live elsewhere than Tucson.

The SD card feature is really targeted at cheaper third world cellphones where an 8Mb cellphone is the norm and they want cheap SD memory for music, pictures, and videos. This SD card feature in Marshmallow 6.0 is really targeted at the "diskette crowd" though it could be used to increase app storage space if there is enough demand for it. 32Mb and 64Mb cellphones in the modern world seem to be 'enough' app space for most people so, I don't really expect to see that feature space added to most cellphones outside of the third world.

Gotta disagree with you on that. I just bought a 200gb Sandisk card for my S4. Not to move apps (it's still on KK), but so I can load it up with music. I have an 8gb iPod Nano (it's dying), and a 160gb iPod Classic that I've barely used in the 3 years that I own it. It's just so more convenient to have everything in one device. LG brought back the SD card slot after people complained about the G2, Samsung brought it back after complaints from the S6/Note 5. Motorola did away with when they were owned by Google, but now Lenovo ownes them (the phone part anyway) and they brought it back. Because for years their flagships had them their customers were used to it, and then suddenly all the music (or whatever) on their SD cards can't be used and there's not enough internal storage for both apps and media. Why should I bother with my 160gb iPod if I can fit tons of music on my phone that I'm carrying anyway? I get what you're saying about 2nd and 3rd world countries, but most of them aren't rocking Notes and such.
 
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....until I got laid up for a week (a stab wound in the liver will do that to ya)

Glad you are doing better now.

Yeah, the intenational S7 has TWRP, so backups and restores are easy. I don't know if that came from Chainfire though, I haven't really looked in to it since I'm not interested in the S7. And if you need to get back to stock, there's always Odin (although KNOX will be tripped). Good to talk to someone that speaks my language.

You are a big part of the reason I am here. The forums I looked on were full of diehard fanboys and girls who lacked any objectivity or, people from other parts of the world that really couldn't help me with my selection process. I learned a long time ago, to reach out to non-traditional sources for things like this due to huge marketing biases and closed sale networks in developed markets.

Sick of TouchWiz.

That's the one thing that has consistently held me back from buying a Samsung phone.

Odd thing is, you're not the only one I've come across that made the Verizon to Nexus 4 to OnePlus One switch either. I'd think you were him, if you didn't live elsewhere than Tucson.

I use to live in Tucson so, maybe it was me! :D

The silver spoon in the mouth Yuppie wanna'bee gang bangers were the last straw and I left. I loved Civano when I lived there but, the community really changed over time (in a not so good way) and, the lack of infrastructure (roads!!!!) in that part of town really became an almost insurmountable obstacle to a descent quality of life when the new school opened and traffic moved off I-10.

Gotta disagree with you on that.

Different strokes for different folks I guess but, I also understand where you are coming from. I try to use my phone for communication and try to keep my entertainment on it limited to waiting areas like airports, doctor's offices, etc. A cellphone/phatblet doesn't make a good substitute for an MP3 player or real tablet in my case. Loosing or breaking a music player (or simply killing the battery) is a nuisance but, doing that to my main communication device is a totally different thing. The added burden of a secondary MP3 player, iPod Touch, etc. is very minimal in my world, especially compared to fighting for an electric outlet or charging station in an airport. Plus in the world of air travel, a pure music player is easier to live with during long flights. I'm probably a little odd in this regard after traveling with dual laptops and dual cellphones professionally, a second or third music player and descent camera really doesn't affect the convenience or hassle for me in most cases.
 
Glad you are doing better now.

Thanks. I was extremely lucky. It was an upward thrust that actually scratched the liver. A couple inches higher and I might not be here. I was back at work a week later.


You are a big part of the reason I am here. The forums I looked on were full of diehard fanboys and girls who lacked any objectivity or, people from other parts of the world that really couldn't help me with my selection process. I learned a long time ago, to reach out to non-traditional sources for things like this due to huge marketing biases and closed sale networks in developed markets.

Yeah, I don't poke around the Android Central/Authority forums or androidforums.com much anymore. XDA is where I get my development stuff, and there's also a couple threads in the General area for advice on which device to get. If you asked there, some guy from Tucson with a Mr. Peanut would have helped you out.
 
Yeah, I don't poke around the Android Central/Authority forums or androidforums.com much anymore. XDA is where I get my development stuff, and there's also a couple threads in the General area for advice on which device to get. If you asked there, some guy from Tucson with a Mr. Peanut would have helped you out.


Thanks for the reference to that forum. I might have been on XDA a time or two from random searches but, it never really caught my attention. I will check it out.
 
Thanks for the reference to that forum. I might have been on XDA a time or two from random searches but, it never really caught my attention. I will check it out.

XDA is great, and there's no larger repository of Android knowledge. But when you get into the technical stuff, it's more of a learning cliff than a curve. I'm barely a novice myself.
 
Finally, the phone will have quick charge capability. Unless you need to, don't use it. The heat caused by the charge/discharge cycle is what kills batteries over time, and the S7s don't have an easily replaceable battery. Quick charge is nice when you need it, but otherwise just use an old 1A charger or the USB on your computer. You don't need to go from 27% to 100% in 45 minutes when you're home after work, taken your shoes off and watching Netflix.
Good advice.

I use induction charging on my S6 but the charging 'pad' has the original 'adaptive fast charger' connected. Will connect a spare 'non-fast' charging plug to the charging pad instead.
 
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