I use the 200-1000 grit wicked edge diamonds, which leave a nice dull even finish, similar to what you might see on a high end factory edge, reminds me a lot of the finish using the sharpmaker brown stones, though a bit more toothy. I figured the 3 micron EEF stones would get me a nice dull polish, and take me up to or a little past the sharpness I got with the medium sharpmaker rods. Although the stones feel perfectly smooth to the touch, they left a finish similar to unbroken in 400 grit diamond sharpmaker rods. And stayed that way for several knives, Ive probably taken a couple thousand strokes with them by now attempting to wear them in, and while they don't scratch as much, I'm hardly touching them to the blade now, they still require stropping to get a truly sharp edge, and I actually got a better mirror like finish when stopping at the 1000 grit and then stropping. I emailed wicked edge to see if that is typical, but if so, it looks like I might be better off finishing with sandpaper.