Sanu Forward Curved/ Forge engraved review

Rusty

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In September of 99, Sanu sent over three or four forward curvings that recieved rave reviews.

Yvsa posted he couldn't quite understand the immediate reservations most who bought them placed on their not being used, though he said he did understand certain khuks being reserved for special occasions or purpose. Uncle Bill responded to Yvsa saying he was sure I would tell Yvsa that my " Sun, Moon and Stars is usable as weapon or tool."

I couldn't resist ( I can resist anything but temptation ) and posted the below response.

" I'll let you know how it does just as soon as I need to slay dragons, quest for the Holy Grail, to rescue damsels in distress from castle keeps, to stand against the very gates of hell. Or maybe to reach the unreachable star.

" Other than that, it's basically pretty useless, Uncle Bill. ( snicker )"

Elsewhere I commented on now knowing what Arthur Pendragon must have felt when he pulled Excallibur from the stone.

I'll have to bring it to Reno next week so Uncle can put a picture of it up.

Oh lord, if Sanu could forge engrave the blade of a katana... Stop salivating onto the keyboard, Rusty.
 
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And I can still understand that some folks don't want to use such beautiful blades for general use, but on the other and I still beieve that some of such tools or weapons should be used.
Look at some of the knives and guns of the old west and further back, much further back.
Mankind has almost always embellished his nice tool's and weapon's and then Used Them.:D

But I have to go to the YCS to really comment on this subject since it was designed by me and made to be a using khukuri. I wanted a really beautiful knife I could say was my own and that I could take real pride in using. The H.I. kami's helped me to realize my
dream.:)
So what if it's a beautiful khukuri.
Getting one and then not using it is just a waste in one way.
But.... I can also see such a knife put up for emergncy use in slaying dragons or other creatures, but some of those creatures I wouldn't want to use a beautiful blade on, most of them are 2 legged and I wouldn't want to sully any Special knife on them, maybe those kinds of folks should just be shot instead of giving them an honorable death with a beautiful blade.

It's an emotional judgement that we all have to make for ourselves except for the occasional really Special khukuri, other knife or gun. And one can tell when a weapon or tool is that "Special" one. :D

And although I'm getting out less and less I still get a really nice feeling when using my YCS for a utility job that a lessor khukuri would perform just as well. Well, maybe not "Just as well" but any around the same size would get the job done, but I wouldn't and don't get the same exact pleasure out of the other knive's I have.:D
These sort of things are just too dayumed hard to expain with the language we read and speak.
To describe them as they should be would have to be done with a language from the heart and I believe that's what Rusty is saying about his Sun, Moon and Stars.
I don't know if I would use that blade either, sorta like my Kothimoda I guess although I did test it just like all the others that come into my hand.:D
 
You make a good point, Yvsa. Will start keeping my eyes open for a single shot break open 12 ga. Sears Ted Williams, or Wards Western Flyer, or Western Auto Revelation for that purpose.
 
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Rusty some of the most beautiful shotguns are in the hands of Canadian and Alaskan Native People's. And most of them believe it or not are a lowly .410 single shot break open, breech loading.
The reason is that they are great for the grouse up there and ammo is cheaper and lighter to carry for them as well as not having a killer recoil so that the ladies and youngsters can also shoot with them easier.
It may be a boring diet, but you can survive on the grouse and snowshoe hare, just remember to boil them so you can keep the fat content up.

( One of the artic explorers dayumed near died because he got so tired of boiled fish and he started broiling it over an open fire thereby losing the fat.
The fat prevents either rickets or scurvy, can't recall which and a little spruce tea will provide enough vitamin c to prevent the scurvy I believe it
is IF you can get it. After he started boiling the fish again he got well enough to survive, don't recall whether he was rescued or what, it's been awhile since I read about it.:) )

The metal work on them are mostly nondescript although some have been fancied up like only native people can do with their engraving:), but the stock and forearms are something else.
Many are very elaborately carved, Walosi would drool seeing fine examples of these:) I know I do, and then many have inlay of walrus ivory and mother of pearl.
I have seen a few exaples of some of the .410's with examples of the Northwestern Tribal Symbols that are absolutely breathtaking!!!!
And by doing the heavy carving it also makes the lttle guns even lighter and easier to haul around.

I have been threatening for a few years to do a deer rawhide wrap on my .357 Mag Marlin Carbine, but I would rather have it carved in order to drop the weight instead of the rawhide which would make it heavier, although I like the looks of both. The rahide wrap makes the guns look more like plains or woodland style ndn guns than anything else.
Of course some nice button style round top brass nails from http://www.crazycrow.com would make a nice pattern as well.
I like the looks of those too.:D

Now just what do you have in mind for your shotgun after reading all
this?:p :D
 
Originally posted by Yvsa
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Rusty some of the most beautiful shotguns are in the hands of Canadian and Alaskan Native People's. And most of them believe it or not are a lowly .410 single shot break open, breech loading.
The reason is that they are great for the grouse up there and ammo is cheaper and lighter to carry for them as well as not having a killer recoil so that the ladies and youngsters can also shoot with them easier.

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The metal work on them are mostly nondescript although some have been fancied up like only native people can do with their engraving:), but the stock and forearms are something else.
Many are very elaborately carved, Walosi would drool seeing fine examples of these:) I know I do, and then many have inlay of walrus ivory and mother of pearl.
I have seen a few exaples of some of the .410's with examples of the Northwestern Tribal Symbols that are absolutely breathtaking!!!!
And by doing the heavy carving it also makes the lttle guns even lighter and easier to haul around.

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Yvsa,
I was up in Vancouver, BC this spring and at one of the "Trading Post" type shops, I saw a Mora knife which a native craftsman had carved extensively. I'm generally not one for carved handles, but I'd have bought this one! Unfortunately, there was no price tag on it, just the artist's name. Like the saying goes "if ya hafta ask, ya can't afford it!"

Patrick
 
Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a Briggs & Stratton or 2 stroke Japanese motorcycle muffler.;) :) :D
 
60 years ago back when I was one in the midwest kids started with 22's and 410s and graduated to 12 gauge when big enough so the recoil wouldn't knock us down. Got a soft spot in my heart for the 410.
 
I understand what you are saying about the .410's use for getting food, it's light weight, and its affordable shells.

But I remember in my teens taking out a break open .410 I'd gotten and a handful of shells. I fired a couple, then aimed at a barn pigeon. Got him, but not good enough. Fired a second time and only got him with the fringe. The third time, knocked him down but he was still flopping and I was out of shells with me. Walked 50 yards to the house from the barn, got more ammo, 50 yards back, and then shot the still living pigeon good, from 5 yards. Twice to make sure. That was the last time I ever shot anything with a .410.
 
Yvsa, you have mentioned cutting the paper/plastic around the shell behind the wad to make a slug out of it. My dad told of prying open a shell and pouring molten wax into the shot to keep it together. Same effect, I guess.

( Incidentally, I recall seeing an ad for a new saboted slug load that threw a 250-300 grain Nosler partition slug from a 20 ga. at about 2,000 feet-per-second for and energy of round 3,000 ft. lbs. Details are fuzzy in my mind, but that's what the energy of a full house 12 ga. slug or an '06 is. )

Anyway, in a survival situation, of course I'd use a 410 if needed. But I'd have to not only thank the grouse for it's gift, but most likely have to apologise to it for not taking it cleanly in a respectful way. To me that would be like doing a puja on a goat using a 2 1/2" bladed knife.
 
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Bro I had a little Iver Johnson Champion Model that was dead on, but you had to pull a close bead with the little gun, just like shootin'a .22 cal.
I have seen my old man shoot Arizona Jack's and Cottontails at 100 steps with the 3" shells.
A .410 has about the same energy as a .44 Mag I have heard.:D
My little gun was stolen when I was moving a long time ago.:(
I have never tried to replace it.
It was the only gun left from my childhood and I hunted with it from the time I was about 10-11 up until it was stolen.

And yes the hot wax should have the same effect that cutting the wadding in two would have, safer actually or probably.
I tied the gun to a tree to test it before I would hold it and shoot it with the makeshift slugs.
Poor people had poor ways, but many were very inventive.:D
IMO slugs are still to dayumed expensive, but I can afford them now that I don't need them anymore unless I want to hunt deer in a shotgun only area.
 
Compared to our grandparents and great-grandparents most of us are incredibly rich ( in the sense of what we have to do to meet our needs ).

I now know that a .410 is an expert's gun. Even in 3" magnum which I didn't have. But even if I were an expert, I couldn't prove it when I was cold, wet and hungry. And because I don't have to, I choose a 20 gauge to increase the chance of a clean kill. If I have to kill at all.
 
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Bro I have graduated to a Mossberg 12 gauge since I have gotten lazy and can't see like I could when I was young. And if I choose to hunt I want to make the cleanest kill possible.

I don't think the 3" shell was a magnum though. The .410 I had would shoot both the 2 1/2" and 3" shells.
And I have had many, many people tell me I was full of $**t because I upheld the lowly .410 and that it indeed could take game consistently and at what most people would have considered an extreme range for such a gun. Mine was a full choke and you didn't want to shoot anything you wanted to eat at too close a range since if you hit the game dead on there were way too many shot to remove.:D
 
Don't know how many shots I've had to spit out when eating quail.

And, Bro, you used a phrase that rang on old bell in the head. My Cherokee grandmother used to use that same phrase: Poor people have poor ways. Is that a Cherokee saying? I still use it and Yangdu even picked it up and the phrase is migrating to the Himalayas via her family.
 
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Just one that we so called poor people had to justify being frugal and not wasteing anythng.
We didn't have much in the way of material things back then and it took me a few years to realize just how rich we were.:)
If a person has Freedom then they have everything IMO since anything else is just frosting on the cake so to speak.
And as you know we had much, much more Freedom back in those days!!!!
And the way this country is going I really feel sorry for the generations yet to come. Unless there is some kind of revolution in a few years this country will become like so many others without Freedom.
 
Contrary to popular notion gossip has a vital purpose in setting societal limits and boundaries.

It's like two teen-agers talking on the phone so they can have deniability and retract what was said as "oh, I didn't mean it to sound that way".

With both men and women afforded fewer opportunities to toss around current events and develop a consensus, the political spinsters have more power and set more of the boundaries every day.

That is one reason this forum has so much thread drift. It's one of our last places to throw the bull around in "half-fun and full earnest".

I think it's very healthy for those running things to have to worry about their average constituents doing a Cseaucesku on them. 'Bout the only reason we have any freedoms left. But you can't respond to everything that way, and they constantly nibble away one more piece of freedom that isn't worth invoking the death penalty for.

Like I said before, why take away our guns if we still have rope?

( Maybe that's why they banned hemp and not because they're afraid of people getting high. It's been used for neckties too often in the past .)
 
I still like Telephone Poles as part of that set up. Too much hanging weight can be hard on trees.
 
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