SAS guns that can shoot around corners

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The SAS has been issued with a new Israeli weapons system that could revolutionise its urban warfare and anti-terrorist operations by letting soldiers fire aimed shots around corners.

According to Israeli sources, British police forces have also shown great interest in the "Corner Shot" system, invented by a retired lieutenant colonel who once commanded the elite Duvdevan undercover unit that operates among Palestinians in the West Bank.

SAS troopers in Iraq are likely to be issued with the Corner Shot for use in operations to search houses and track down the Saddam Hussein henchmen who remain at large.

The system appears to solve the age-old dilemma of how a soldier can fire accurately and safely around a corner. Recent attempts by the French and the FBI involved holding a monitor in one hand while exposing the other arm to enemy fire.

At a live firing demonstration yesterday in Shoham, near Tel Aviv, Lt Col Amos Golan said he had spent years pondering how to fire at right angles.

"You don't want to have to throw a hand grenade into a room full of civilians," he said. "With this, you have more time to think and observe because you are not under threat.

"If you do have to shoot and hit a target then you are doing it totally protected, even your hand."

The system can be fitted to most commonly used pistols. It has a trigger attached by a cable to the pistol trigger, so that the handgun can be extended through a doorway while the soldier remains covered by a wall.

A small, high-resolution camera and monitor give a full view around the corner. The footage can also be transmitted to a command post. The soldier can tilt the pistol 60 degrees to the left or right, enabling him to angle his body and fire a shot at 90 degrees.

A sharp pull of the grip snaps the pistol back so that it points to the front and he can storm the room.

In the three months that the system has been on the market, Corner Shot Holdings, a Florida-based company manufacturing in Israel, has sold units to 15 countries including Israel, Russia, the United States and Britain.

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maximus otter
 
The LAN system from the US also has "blind fire" capabilities.

The wierdest system for this was invented by the Germans during WWII. It actually was a curved barrel the attached to the normal barrel of a rifle. It used a specially setup mirror for aiming. The barrel was said to be good for about 10-15 rounds before it need to be replaced. They were used with moderate success during street fighting.
 
Just thought I'd pop on in too...
Max, thanks for the link.
Can ya get me one?
(You're closer to the source than I am)

Also, to drain some memory cells the Germans and US... waitt, the US and Germans (we WON, after all!) created bent tubes to fit onto the muzzles of their SMG (MP38's/40's for the Germans, M-3/M3A1's for the Yanks)
According to Ian Hogg (Quite BRITISH, Max.... ya know who I mean?) The German version was only good for a couple of hundred rounds before shooting straight out of the bend in the barrel, but how many rounds DO ya need to fire blindly, anyhow??
RW the number you give seems a bit low. If you and I have the same source, Tales of the Gun?, the German version could fire a few magazines at least.
Uh oh... now I'm thinkin'....
When folks are doing house to house, it's like a letter T for this scenario, right? With the shooter on the top of the T, VERY POSSIBLY Friendlies across the intersection...
So when the rounds DO start coming out straight...
Wouldn't that possibly annoy your buddies?
Anyhow, see what happens when I think?
just lost the sight in two of my eyes doin' all that thinkin' and whatnot!
Not sure how long the Yank version worked, probably the same amount, but I can't find any mention of it anywhere. It's one of those things I remember reading about in a book on US Small Arms in my Junior High School Library, of all places...
I'm sure the school has burned that book by now.... the school was in NJ.

Anyhow, thanks for the update again, Max!


VG
Edited to add: RW, if you're still there, did ya ever notice whenever ya see the LAN (Land Warrior System, whatever) the soldier always has an M-9 bayonet on the end of his rifle?
Could you imagine these things actually going into service and having some private actually stick a bayonet onto it? He'd get creamed for endangering about a billion bucks worth of computers, no?
OK, I can't think anym
 
VG. Your one strange cat.

Damitall after reading your post I forgot what the hell I was going to say. :rolleyes: ;)
 
CornerShot-3.jpg
 
wow, that's the most interesting thing I have seen today! Paul
 
VG,

The system you're thinking of was known officially as "Der Gebogene Lauf" - The Curved Barrel - or Krummlauf - "bent barrel."

Two versions went into limited production: Vorsatz J which produced a 30 degree deflection for trench fighting; and Vorsatz P which deflected the bullet 90 degrees. The P variant was intended to be used inside an AFV fitted with a ball mount in the roof - Kugellafette - to shoot infantry attacking the tank.

I recommend Peter R. Senich's The German Assault Rifle 1935-1945 , Paladin Press, 1987, for fuller info.

Here and here are pictures of krummlauf.

maximus otter
 
new Israeli weapons system

Perhaps it is just me, but this thing looks goofy and inelegant to me. Yes, you may be able to shoot around corners. But, it also gives away your exact position, which may very well allow your opponent to either shoot you right through the wall or toss a grenade your way. Then again if you happen to peer around the wrong wall you may find yourself amist a firefight which develops from another direction with nothing but a clumsy device in your hands with its barrel pointed 90 degrees in the wrong direction. How would you even advance or aim with this thing? Your barrel is angled at 90 degrees and the opponent is standing there at 80 degrees, do you pull the rig off your shoulder and adjust it to 80 degrees angle (while hoping that the enemy stands still)?

This one should go back to the drawing board. I would rank it somewhere below the Segway on practicality.

n2s
 
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A sharp pull of the grip snaps the pistol back so that it points to the front and he can storm the room.

;)
 
It's a tool in the arsenal, nothing more. What's interesting is that it's footprint is smaller for what's actually required to go into the "danger zone"
 
I think that I'd still yell "clear" and toss a hand grenade...It's still one of the best room-clearing tools that there is available.
 
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