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Pisausaya

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I do apologize that this knife resembles the Busse knife, i didnt know upon purchasing the knife that the maker made it based on Busse. I did told him about the whole intellectual property law etc, and asked that he make a different original design for my next order.


Specs:
D2 steel
Full tang construction
Blade length 13cm
Overall length 23cm
Blade thickness 5mm
Micarta handle
Leather sheath
Mirror shined

Tested it on some soft wood branch, cardboard, paracord and paper.
 
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Crap! it does. Apologize for this, i am not familiar with busse knives, so when the maker posted the knife, i went ahead and bought it.

Happens alot here, which is a pity, because many of the knife makers are more than capable to create their own original design, which 1 or 2 still make knives based on models they see on the internet i guess. On behalf of the maker my Sincere apology.
 
not too crazy about the multi colored handled slabs.. as a practitioner of the southeast asian arts, I would prefer the darker colored slabs. Of course this is a personal preference
 
I like it. To my eye it is finished like what I would actually like to see on a Busse.

A lot of knives are chopped in style out design.

In general styles and design are not copyrighted or trademarked or patented. That means that legally the maker is in the clear.

He also clearly marked the knife as his own (not pretending to sell something Busse Made) so he's also in the clear. To be fair, for myself when selling something like that I'd advertise it with "Busse inspired" or something just to make the buyer aware.

But it's not a legal necessity...And in the case of Busse I can see why he wouldn't want the attention as the company has been a bit aggressive in protecting their intellectual property.

It's a nice knive though. Looks like a pleasure to use.
 
Being in the music business, i am very aware of the importance of intellectual property, copyright to be specific, i am however not too familiar with the patents and trademarks that covers knife's design.

With music it can be quite specific what violates and what not, but with knife design, i'm confused, how do you measure the angle of the belly to claim its yours?

I do agree that if its the handle design that look identical to Busse knife is undoubtedly a copy, or if its the little bump on the spine.

But Indonesia for one, is a country lacking the awareness of intellectual property, both from imitating or being imitated.

Our Keris, Golok, Parang have all been copied by many, without the consiciousness of the need to protest.

I will do a genuine Indonesian Golok Balik Mipih (damascus) review soon, so people can see what the real thing actually look like :)

LX_Emergency said:
I like it. To my eye it is finished like what I would actually like to see on a Busse.

A lot of knives are chopped in style out design.

In general styles and design are not copyrighted or trademarked or patented. That means that legally the maker is in the clear.

He also clearly marked the knife as his own (not pretending to sell something Busse Made) so he's also in the clear. To be fair, for myself when selling something like that I'd advertise it with "Busse inspired" or something just to make the buyer aware.

But it's not a legal necessity...And in the case of Busse I can see why he wouldn't want the attention as the company has been a bit aggressive in protecting their intellectual property.

It's a nice knive though. Looks like a pleasure to use.
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Pisausaya said:
Being in the music business, i am very aware of the importance of intellectual property, copyright to be specific, i am however not too familiar with the patents and trademarks that covers knife's design.

With music it can be quite specific what violates and what not, but with knife design, i'm confused, how do you measure the angle of the belly to claim its yours?

I do agree that if its the handle design that look identical to Busse knife is undoubtedly a copy, or if its the little bump on the spine.

But Indonesia for one, is a country lacking the awareness of intellectual property, both from imitating or being imitated.

Our Keris, Golok, Parang have all been copied by many, without the consiciousness of the need to protest.

I will do a genuine Indonesian Golok Balik Mipih (damascus) review soon, so people can see what the real thing actually look like :)
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Ethically opinions differ. But it's often seen that makers make a "Loveless style" or a "Scagel style" knife. At times like that it's also seen as normal to at least credit who's style you're copying. Legally...as far as I know whole knifedesigns are never really trademarked or registered (I might be misstaken but I think that's the way it is at the moment).

In the case of Busse there was some hoopla some years back when they went after makers who made a front lanyard hole the way they do. They called it a "Talon Hole" and had it registered as a Trademark. It seems they no longer do so agressively anymore.
 
Thanks for the heads up, might wanna warn the this maker to get rid of that front hole :)

LX_Emergency said:
Ethically opinions differ. But it's often seen that makers make a "Loveless style" or a "Scagel style" knife. At times like that it's also seen as normal to at least credit who's style you're copying. Legally...as far as I know whole knifedesigns are never really trademarked or registered (I might be misstaken but I think that's the way it is at the moment).

In the case of Busse there was some hoopla some years back when they went after makers who made a front lanyard hole the way they do. They called it a "Talon Hole" and had it registered as a Trademark. It seems they no longer do so agressively anymore.
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I see this as Busse inspired, but finished and completed with the makers ideas. I really can't stand painted knives they seem so.....unfinished.
 
intellectual property is the concept that has fueled the fire of innovation, particularly in the US. If you can't copy someone else's work and go ahead and sell it, without consequences, then there is far less reason to come up with something better.
 
Indeed, but seriously does anyone know the details in patent or trademark over knife designs? I know its life + 50, which is the life of the owner + 50 years, but what else?


Lorien said:
intellectual property is the concept that has fueled the fire of innovation, particularly in the US. If you can't copy someone else's work and go ahead and sell it, without consequences, then there is far less reason to come up with something better.
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