Save Me from this Hell I have to choose

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I'd like to thank you for reading this to start cause I know there is a million post just like this one already out there. (I know cause i read most of 'em)

Here are my choice so far:
BM 730 or 722
CUDA EDC
SOG Vision
SERE 2000

This is where it get difficult I'm going to abuse this knife and it has to hold up that's the first thing. Second it must fold and must have a clip. Third It has got to lock up rock solid! I like the axis lock and the like I don't like the liner lock that I have now.
The Blade: I have a BM 710 with m2 I was happy with the blade proformace but not the look I don't like b2 coating that much and the blade is really skinny. My EDC for now is a Chineese Folder that is quickly becomeing a POS because of my abuse. VG-10 I like for the edge it gets but on mine it also quickly get killed.(Is that normal??)
I do like the blade style of the chinesse folder though. I have thought of a hawkbill blade which I like until I need to use it as an ice pick or a drill substitute. My consern with the 722 is the that I'll catch myself using the coner of the blade a lot. (I guess I just looking for coments on that)
I reallize my criteria elliminates the SERE and that the Commander could be a good knife to add as well. But I'm tring to leave it up to you master minds here at the forum and tring to keep an open mind.
AND IF YOU HAVE READ ANYTHING ELSE I WROTE READ THIS: PLEASE DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT THE SENBENZA I DON'T WANT A 300 DOLLAR KNIFE! MAYBE JUST A 150 DOLLAR ONE :rolleyes:

Thanks for the input and your time,
Steve
 
I've got a 730, I think it's a great knife. If you don't want a linerlock, then the Commander is no better a choice than the SERE. In fact, the liners on the Emerson are kinda thin. Is a tanto a good choice for the kind of work you'll perform with the knife? Never handled an EDC, but I've only read good stuff about it. Keep in mind it's a metal-handled frame lock, though. I don't carry my frame locks for work. In case I get grease/oil on my hands, or for temperature extremes.
 
Why do you say:
the liners on the Emerson are kinda thin
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as though it's a bad thing?

What quality about the thinness is bad? They're Titanium and quite sturdy; unless you plan on trying to use an Emerson as a crow bar, I can't see what would be wrong with having thin liner locks.
 
Originally posted by decay
Why do you say:
as though it's a bad thing?

What quality about the thinness is bad? They're Titanium and quite sturdy; unless you plan on trying to use an Emerson as a crow bar, I can't see what would be wrong with having thin liner locks.
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Thin liner lock also means thin liners. Thin liners could be less than desirable when using the knife in demanding situations. Do you have to use your knife as a crowbar in order to be put in a demanding situation? No. Thinner liner locks might not be bad, but why not go with something thicker?

Titanium liners are inferior to SS liners when the liners are of equal thickness, as far as strength is concerned. Only when the weight of the titanium involved is the same as the weight of the SS does it become stronger; not with size.

Besides, titanium will wear more easily against the tang.
 
If you don't trust liner locks (I kinda like the SERE 2000, especially for the price, but it's handle is a bit clunky), and you don't want to talk CRK, and you might be concerned about all the little parts on some of the other knives mentioned the only choice left is the EDC. This seems to be a stout knife for a reasonable price and can be had with some really stout steels for not too much money. It's also a frame lock just like the Sebenzaa you don't want to talk about (sorry, did I say that?).

I recently bought a Microtech Socom Elite at a show for $175.00. Not much more than your stated budget and one hell of a knife. I actually use my Microtech (I know thats kind of taboo) and love it. I Don't think it's any weaker than my small Sebenza, just different (I hope it holds off my desire for a unique pattern decorated large Sebenza for a while). The lock on this knife can't really be considered a liner lock or a frame lock, although it has parts of both. A user Microtech Socom would make a great hard use knife at or near your price range. While it's lock also employees some small parts, they seem more robust than the parts in an Axis lock and less likely to dis-engage accidentally.

Ultimately I think the frame lock is the strongest answer for a hard use folder.

Just my opinion.

jmx
 
The EDC is up to as much abuse as any of them and probably more, and at it's price, you could break it and replace it with the money you'd save. The 154CM steel will hold an edge very well, and for a little more money, the D2 steel would hold an edge even longer. In terms of strength for the money or edge-holding for the money, I don't think you can beat the EDC.
 
Thanks for the input! I did consider the socom I like that knife as well. I think the tanto would be ok I like it because it usually means a lot of strength near the tip and when I abuse my knifes it usually the tip that gets it. Other than a stab motion a usually will be pull cuting makeing a hawk bill ideal. As far as blade style I like the Microtech Vector (the best of both worlds I think) but it's too expensive. Cheapest I found it was 280 and I can't tell if it's any good.
Here's a question for ya What makes some of the others were talkin about better than the BM722 I like BM as a company but is there a real diiference? Liners? Locks? Blade Steel?
I also like the 730 but keep hearing that unless your getting the M2 version it stinks. Especially if you ask Bussbait.

Keep it coming,
Steve
 
Knife11, where are you in the Chicago area? I'm in Westmont, only about 30 minutes from Chicago. I've got a 722, a Commander, a few Mini-Commanders, and a Night Vision if you want to check them out before ordering anything. Might save you some aggravation if you can actually get your hands on them. Shoot me an e-mail.

double0holden@hotmail.com
 
Originally posted by decay
What quality about the thinness is bad?
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Just that it means that there's something thicker out there. To compare my LCC to a Commander and P-SARK I recently handled, there is no comparison. I just didn't want the guy to get misled by the '#1 hard-use knives' thing. If he doesn't want a liner lock, then he certainly doesn't want a thin liner lock.
 
I agree no thin liner locks My chinesse actually moves on me when a stab something, Scarry!
I really can't find a good brick and moter around here to take a look at these knives so I'm counting on your Discriptions of which is thicker or heavier or what feels best to you. I have already looked at all the real number I want your impressions of the toughest folder you've used.
Thanks guys!
 
I still go with any axis lock-griptilian, AFCK/TSEK, 710, 730
Buck Strider
LCC (no choil) or most any MT
frame lock-BM 750, EDC, CRKT S2, Vapor, Paragee
balisong
MOD CQD
Spydie Chinook, ATR is coming
Busse folder (hey, a guy can dream :D)
 
From the list of knives you provided there is no question you should go with the SERE 2000. It is a heavy duty rock solid knife.

phantom4
 
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