Scandi Grinds..

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What is the attraction..some one help me out here..?:confused: it there a utilitarian purpose for this style of grind? I just think its butt ugly but if I was edumucated by those that know more it would be a help.

Ren
 
They aren't pretty, but they have a long history of use in the boreal forest region where things are made of wood like spruce, pine and fir. Scandinavian knife tradition is pretty old. Knife patterns there are largely unchanged for over a thousand years. They are very effective for whittling, very effective for processing animals, and it's easy to maintain the same edge angle on them. The average total edge angle is 20 degrees so the are fantastically sharp. I started playing with them last year...very useful in a small bush knife.
 
What is the attraction..some one help me out here..?:confused: it there a utilitarian purpose for this style of grind? I just think its butt ugly but if I was edumucated by those that know more it would be a help.

Ren

wnease pretty much nailed it in his post. I'll agree that a scandi grind isn't the most visually appealing, but they sure do work well.
I happen to have a carbon steel Mora Clipper, that I don't use much, so if you p.m. me your address, I'll mail it out to you to test out and get some hands on with the scandi grind. If you like it, you can keep it, if not, just let me know and you can just mail it back. :cool: -Matt-
 
What would be the advantage of a Scandi ground blade, instead of the same blade with a full thin flat grind?
 
I think part of it is when sharpening, that full bevel is laid against the stone to help maintain the angle. Part might also be ease of making, since you're only grinding a small area.

Beau Erwin
 
I find it interesting that people like the Scandi grind so much. I've owned a couple of Helles and a Mora and didn't care for the way they cut. They felt good enough in the hand, but I can't think of any knives I own that didn't out-perform them. I've assumed there is some sort of mystique about the Scandi grind that people buy into, and it is something you either like or you don't. I know that the Scandinavian design has a long history, but it is also a fact, although one that is sometimes overlooked by Scandi lovers, that knives in the U.S. have had to perform in some pretty unforgiving conditions and are still, in many parts of the country, an essential every day working tool. Nothing against Scandi knives, but the U.S. can be pretty pround of its own knife heritage.
 
I also like the look of the Scandi grind as well. I have a May Handi Scandi that I LOVE,
 
wnease pretty much nailed it in his post. I'll agree that a scandi grind isn't the most visually appealing, but they sure do work well.
I happen to have a carbon steel Mora Clipper, that I don't use much, so if you p.m. me your address, I'll mail it out to you to test out and get some hands on with the scandi grind. If you like it, you can keep it, if not, just let me know and you can just mail it back. :cool: -Matt-


Thanks so much for the offer!!! that is what is so great about this community. I PMed you with my addy. Ill test it out and post the results...

Ren
 
Hello Ren,

The chief advantage to the scandi grind is its ability to carve wood. Hang around W&SS awhile and you will see that this claim remains universal among the folks over there. Personally, I was a real skeptic of this until I bought a mora #1. Overall, I don't like the blade - it is too narrow, I prefer wider blades and the handle, while comfortable, is aweful. However, this blade shaves wood like nothing else that I have.

The key to it really isn't its sharpness per se. It has to do with the bevel. When you are shaving curls or carving, the knife just naturally rests on the bevel. You don't have to put much pressure for it to dig into the wood. The bevel also tends to prevent over-bite, i.e. cutting into the wood when in the process of shaving. As a result, you get nice even, shallow shaves that are almost effortless.

Your standard V-grind tends to want to bite deep and you have to maintain control through the cut. I find convex do the opposite, they want to skid off and tend to 'shallow-out' when cutting. This isn't to say that V-grinds and convex can't make great shaving cuts, it is just that they require more skill IMO to do so than a scandi. Scandi's really suck at slicing cuts where the V- and convex excel. They are also less robust of an edge, tending to roll easily, relative to the other two grinds during chopping type activities.

So personally, I'd say if wood working, whittling and carving was your primary use than the scandi is one of the better grinds. Not sure why you don't like the looks. Check out some of the traditional blades, particularly the carbon ones that are blackened above the bevel and polished along the grind. I think this is a really appealing look!
 
The scandi grind works very very well on a woods knife. I scandi'd the edge of my camillus pilots survival knife and it has served excellently for years.

The edge is very easy to maintain in the field. Plus provides an exceedingly sharp edge which cuts with little effort. Blades sporting this grind lend themselves amazingly well to tasks which require great control when cutting. Such as fuzz sticks, trap making and fabrication tsks.
 
Thanks so much for the offer!!! that is what is so great about this community. I PMed you with my addy. Ill test it out and post the results...

Ren

Happy to help! I think hands-on is the best way to get a feel for this type of grind. I wondered for a while myself, until I bought a couple to check out. I think you'll like it. -Matt-
 
Ren,
I used to think the same as you. As has been noted the Scandi grind does have some benefits. Ease of sharpening is one, but the way it slices through wood is amazing.

I have a large sellection of carving knives, including a few I made for myself and I prefer a scandi ground mora to them all! CRAZY!!

They are not for everyone or for everything, but they do have their place.

Tom
 
I too have always been confused by the popularity of scandi ground blades. Over here the "bushcraft" knife with a scandi grind is probably the most common type of knife made by people.
I've never liked the look of them, as I'm not a fan of guardless knives and also prefer any other grind (so long as it goes the entire width of the blade).
In the last couple of years I've re-ground a couple of Helles, a Boker, two Schrades, and two Bucks for people (mainly gamekeepers who use them a lot) and they have been more than happy with the results.
I just can't see how such a steep grind angle, especially on a small narrow blade can be such a good cutter. The majority of "bushcraft" style knives I've seen are made from 4mm stock as well:confused:
I think perhaps I need to make one and see if I can understand the appeal!

Ian
 
Just put an edge bevel on your scandi grind and call it a saber grind.
:D
 
Thanks for all the replies.
The Scandi, or, kata-kira-ba, is one of my favorite blade shapes.
 
Like most of the cutting tools in my wood or leather shop (wood planes, chisels, gouges, drawknives, turning tools, head knives, carving knives, etc., etc.), you just simply won't see the best out of these tools until you learn to sharpen and maintain them properly. I have a small fortune tied up in specialty sharpening tools just in the wood shop alone to ensure that I see the very best that these tools have to offer. Not to mention the decades of learning how to keep these tools at their best.

I have found in my own experience that many of the people who don't like the Scandinavian-ground knives usually don't understand them (the same often applies to the convex-ground). It wouldn't take long to destroy many of the fine tools in my wood shop if you don't understand their specific tasks. I have yet to find a tool in any shop that will do it all in equal measure. Variety is a good thing and I find that the Scandinavian-ground knife falls in to that category. Like the well-maintained chisel, the Scandinavian knives can (if sharpened and maintained properly) really excel at a variety of woodworking tasks that few knives will approach in efficiency. Though I find that my sharp chisels have a place in the wood shop, I see no practical use for them in the leather shop or in the wood pile out back. My Scandinavian-ground knives are great with regards to working with soft woods, light utility, not so good when it comes to chopping, or, heaven forbid, prying. These knives have thin edges and should have!

A friend of mine indicated to me in a phone conversation that he had "little use" for his Scandinavian knives. Seems his edges were chipping out badly whenever he was working with wood. Later, once I had the opportunity to inspect his newly sharpened knives, I could see that all three of the blades still had a very fine burr running along the entire edge. I could understand then why he was having problems! Burr's removed, a lesson in lots of stropping; he is a happy camper with his Scandinavian knives. This gentleman is an outdoor professional with decades of knife use, BTW.

Every year, for about the last 20-years, I teach (either at the college or in my own shop) primitive bow making. These bows can either be selfbows or backed bows. For the first bow, I don't allow the students to use the bandsaws or any power equipment. We use knives, broad hatchets, ferrier files, cabinet scrapers, etc. I have a couple of drawers of 3" - 4" knives for these students to use. In the drawers are flat-ground, convex-ground, flat-ground with convex edges, Scandinavian-ground...a little of everything. I keep all of these knives shaving sharp and highly polished (many of the students are afraid of them...for a time). Most of these students know almost nothing about tools...especially knives. Occasionally I am blessed with a carpenter, cabinet maker, or avid outdoorsman, but not as often as the curious who would like to give archery a try as part of their 'creative journey.' After the hatchet part of the effort is completed and they start fine-tuning with the knives and files; it has been my observation that most of the students have worked through the knife selection and have settled on the Scandinavian knives without any thought to their choice whatsoever. They just simply choose what works the best for what they are doing without any bias or care.

I keep a mirror or highly polished grind and edge on all of my Scandinavian-ground blades. I do the same with my convex grinds. I might add: Many of my custom Scandinavian knives have convexed or V-ground *edges*, and some are even hollow-ground. Not all Scandinavian makers prefer the sabre-grind! :)
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Some scandi makers do make a Scandi bushcraft knife with a guard. Koster comes to mind right off the bat. They have a great following. I can't add any discussion (everyone says they excel at working with wood, especially feather sticks). Even with a stronger steel like 3v I have seen people say they have easily chipped out hte edge, which is to be expected with such a thin edge.
 
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