Schatt & Morgan Slab Choices...

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What is your opinion of the bone choices on both the XIX and ATS?
They sure have a lot of other slabs I like better than these wormgroove.

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Mike Latham
CollectorKnives.Net
 
The Harvest bone looks nice. Would have to see one in hand to judge. The wormgroove and color on the File & Wire leave me cold
 
I like the smooth bone,I'm hoping the coloring is better in person,'cause I see two there I like,the coke & whittler
The wormgroove,I can live without though,just me
-Vince
 
I've never met a Schatt & Morgan I didn't like. Queen/ Schatt is my favorite maker at the moment. I've been thrilled with everything I've gotten from them. I have a couple of the File & Wires, and the wormgroove is nice enough. It's not anything to get excited over, though. I feel it's kind of a shame that they put out some of their nicest knives with handles that are sort of "blah". Schatt does a great job with their jigging- I kind of wish they'd slap some of their other scales on the File & Wire series. But I guess the point of the series is that they all have the same scales. They are switching it up this year with the "morning ash" worm groove, so maybe that's a segway into using something more interesting next year.

As for the Series XIX smooth bone- I like it. I'm not CRAZY about it, but the patterns they're going with this year all appeal to me- except for maybe the balloon whittler. I'm hoping to pick up a few of this year's series. I like the File & Wire cotton sampler, too.
 
I'm glad I got my 2008 brown worm groove bone sowbelly now! Those 2009 Series XIX just don't do a lot for me.
 
Peter Parker said:
I'm glad I got my 2008 brown worm groove bone sowbelly now! Those 2009 Series XIX just don't do a lot for me.
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I really wanted to get that sowbelly but I am having a hard time accepting the 420HC steel they use. I wish they would at least use 440C but for the price and level of quality of the rest of the knife they really should use ATS34. I would snatch them up in a heartbeat then. Maybe I am should accept it with the 420HC. I'm sure it is fine.

As for the original topic, the color and bone look nice. Does the color look a bit more orange in person though?
 
I will certianly be getting the last knife in series 4. That Cotton Sampler is a big hunk of ATS-34. I didn't mind the Penn. Green Wormgroove, but liked the Golden Root better.
I sure like the shape of the blade in the new series. Big knife, long pull, an old pattern & a lockback!
But I will reserve judgment on the scales until I see in hand.
The new series looks like a natural bone color with just the wormgrooves dyed.
Thank You for posting these ads Mike:thumbup: A bunch of new things to look forward to.
 
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Texasflyfisher- for what it's worth, I've had no problems with Schatt's 420HC. It seems about equivalent to the steel Victorinox uses for their SAKs- and you very rarely hear anyone complain about that. The 2008 S&M sowbelly is a great knife, I've done some heavy cutting with mine, and it works great. 420HC isn't a newfangled "glamour" steel, but when it's properly heat treated, it works just fine. My Granddad always carried a Buck 301 with 420HC and used it for heavy farm work for as long as I knew him, and he swore by it.

Don't miss out on Schatt just because of the steel they use! They make wonderful knives.

Mike- do you have any idea when we can expect any of the '09 S&Ms to hit the streets?
 
moonwilson said:
Texasflyfisher- for what it's worth, I've had no problems with Schatt's 420HC. It seems about equivalent to the steel Victorinox uses for their SAKs- and you very rarely hear anyone complain about that. The 2008 S&M sowbelly is a great knife, I've done some heavy cutting with mine, and it works great. 420HC isn't a newfangled "glamour" steel, but when it's properly heat treated, it works just fine. My Granddad always carried a Buck 301 with 420HC and used it for heavy farm work for as long as I knew him, and he swore by it.

Don't miss out on Schatt just because of the steel they use! They make wonderful knives.
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Thanks moonwilson! I think I'll give the S&M sowbelly a try!
 
Holy crap! I'm going to be all over that (B) two blade harness knife XIX. I want one bad. That's sweet! I'm going on the hunt right now for one.
 
I like jigged handles but none of the above would bother me in the least.

Saying that, I see a Harness knife and a Saddlehorn in my future.

Thanks for posting the literature.:thumbup:
Helle
 
I'm not crazy about the Harvest Orange bone color, but maybe it's just the add and will look better in person (I hope). But I agree with neeman I REALLY like the coke bottle design; looks like you could just pop the top and take a swig!

Nathan
 
kodiak said:
Holy crap! I'm going to be all over that (B) two blade harness knife XIX. I want one bad. That's sweet! I'm going on the hunt right now for one.
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Save the stress for at least a month there Kodiak. :grumpy:
The Annual Reproduction Series is usually released around the 1st of March. Right after the Shot Show..... except the S.S. was early this year.:D
 
That Orange colour is not very motivating at all:grumpy:

The locking saddlehorn looks really something in that ash worm groove but the size...like some locking sword:eek:
 
That's another thing about the file & wire/select knives that I am curious about; why are they so huge? It almost seems contradictory that a fine and elegant knife like that require a sheath to carry it. Why not scale them down a bit, say between 3 1/4" to 4" in size?
 
texasflyfisher said:
That's another thing about the file & wire/select knives that I am curious about; why are they so huge? It almost seems contradictory that a fine and elegant knife like that require a sheath to carry it. Why not scale them down a bit, say between 3 1/4" to 4" in size?
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That is an excellent question. It does seem like a lot of the File & Wires are largish- the recent ones anyway.

Here's a list I've compiled of all of the File & Wires so far, with their closed sizes: (information is from Clarence Risner's site)

1) Folding Hunter- 5.25"
2) Swing guard lock- 4.5"
3) English Jack- 4.5"
4) Swaybelly trapper- 4.125"
5) Large toothpick- 5"
6) Reverse gunstock- 4.25"
7) Teardrop jack- 3.75"
8) Congress- 4"
9) Swing guard lock- 4.5"
10) Sunfish- 3.625"
11) Mountain man- 4.5"
12) English Jack- 4.5"
13) Special gunstock- 3.5"
14) Whittler- 4.25"
15) Toothpick- 4.25"
16) Mountain man- 4.625"
17) Swing guard lockback- 4.5"
18) Slim Coke bottle- 4.625"
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19) Cotton sampler- 4.5"

Overall, the File & Wires are fairly large knives. The only exceptions are the teardrop jack, the sunfish, and the "special" gunstock, which are all under 4".
 
Will you gents help me? Is the equal end harness knife slab sided (flat) if so you never see the equal end slab sided in this day and, time that I have seen... I can't tell from the pix, but it looks to be. If it is I will be in the market fo one..
Thanks
 
moonwilson said:
Texasflyfisher- for what it's worth, I've had no problems with Schatt's 420HC. It seems about equivalent to the steel Victorinox uses for their SAKs- and you very rarely hear anyone complain about that. The 2008 S&M sowbelly is a great knife, I've done some heavy cutting with mine, and it works great. 420HC isn't a newfangled "glamour" steel, but when it's properly heat treated, it works just fine. My Granddad always carried a Buck 301 with 420HC and used it for heavy farm work for as long as I knew him, and he swore by it.

Don't miss out on Schatt just because of the steel they use! They make wonderful knives.
Mike- do you have any idea when we can expect any of the '09 S&Ms to hit the streets?
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Well said, and I agree! With S&M your mainly paying for good old fashion fit and finish, although the occassional D2 or ATS-34 is some nice iceing on the Queen cake. I would like to see a better image of these bones to better make up my mind.
 
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