Schatt & Morgan tang stamp

[mbkr]

I have several tang stamp charts for Queen/S&M. None of them show this stamp. Anybody know anything about it?
Looks more like an etch so I'm thinking late in the company's life
Not my pic.

 

[dsutton24]

Is the mark etched? If so it's one of Cooper's modern production knives.

 

[mbkr]

Is the mark etched? If so it's one of Cooper's modern production knives.

It looks etched, but I don't know for sure. I considered Cooper production, but they're in Ohio, not NY.

 

[dsutton24]

Well, since they're making 'Queen' knives marked Titusville, I'm not sure that's much of an indicator. I don't think Schatt & Morgan etched any tang stamps.

 

[Jody744]

They did do a series of “old tang stamps”, I can’t recall if they were stamped or etched. Or even what year they did them.

 

[mbkr]

Well, since they're making 'Queen' knives marked Titusville, I'm not sure that's much of an indicator. I don't think Schatt & Morgan etched any tang stamps.

Queen isn't a Cooper brand and the new Queen knives I've seen do not say Titusville on the tang. They're either made in China or just say "USA".

 

[dsutton24]

Old tang stamps weren't etched, they were stamped. S&M hasn't been in Gowanda since 1902. If by 'old tang stamp' you're talking about the Heritage series, they were stamped Titusville.

 

[dsutton24]

Queen isn't a Cooper brand and the new Queen knives I've seen do not say Titusville on the tang. They're either made in China or just say "USA".

Queen is a Cooper brand.

What do you think the knife is?

 

[mbkr]

Queen is a Cooper brand.

What do you think the knife is?

Disagree. Queen is owned by SMKW and the Chinese knives look like they're made in the same factory as the Rough Riders. The USA Queen's they're selling look a lot like Bear to me.

 

[Jody744]

The repro stamps looked like this

 

[Arathol]

A pic of the knife might help.....
Where did the knife come from?

 

[Jakeywax31]

I think the stamp is paying homage to the old ones. I had a heritage series with that stamp and I believe it may have been one of the last runs of S&M from Queen cutlery in Titusville.

 

[Jakeywax31]

Disagree. Queen is owned by SMKW and the Chinese knives look like they're made in the same factory as the Rough Riders. The USA Queen's they're selling look a lot like Bear to me.

What I have pieced together is that Queen is owned by SMKW and does production in China and the US. US being more than likely Bear and Sons. Cooper Cutlery is now the owner of the S&M trademark. As with everything on the internet….I could be way off

 

[Arathol]

What I have pieced together is that Queen is owned by SMKW and does production in China and the US. US being more than likely Bear and Sons. Cooper Cutlery is now the owner of the S&M trademark. As with everything on the internet….I could be way off

Gilbert Cooper bought pretty much all of the physical assets at the Queen factory auction, John Parker and SMKW got the rights to use the Queen name.

 

[Jakeywax31]

Thank you for the info. I really should not have waded into these waters as I don’t really know. I impulsively posted

 

[mbkr]

A pic of the knife might help.....
Where did the knife come from?

The knife is on the bay. It is a Heritage model with jigged bone. There is another identical knife that has the same stamp that Jody744 posted above. That stamp is one I've seen before. The etch just looks wrong to me. Never saw one like it. I thought maybe it was a prototype thing or something they were slapping on at the end of days. I'd ask the seller, but I have no intention of buying it, so prefer not to waste his time. Just idle curiosity.

 

[Arathol]

The knife is on the bay. It is a Heritage model with jigged bone. There is another identical knife that has the same stamp that Jody744 posted above. That stamp is one I've seen before. The etch just looks wrong to me. Never saw one like it. I thought maybe it was a prototype thing or something they were slapping on at the end of days. I'd ask the seller, but I have no intention of buying it, so prefer not to waste his time. Just idle curiosity.

Just FYI, the seller is the son of Jim Parker......make of that what you will....The knife just doesn't look right....I don't remember ever seeing one with laser etched markings.

 

[Rookie82]

Also bear in mind that 10's of 1000's of pieces and parts were bought at that auction, and are being assembled and sold off by random parties, claiming they came from the factory. I was at the auction. Cooper got most of the equipment, but maybe only 50% of the shelves of unassembled inventory.

 

[RickHuf]

but maybe only 50% of the shelves of unassembled inventory

Yeah you can find pieces and parts for sale all over the place. I guess from whoever got the rest of the inventory. Queen must have had quite a stockpile. I bought a few blades and springs to play around with. Haven't done anything exciting with them yet lol.

 

[SteveC]

Could just be a light stamp and was set aside as a second or as parts. The pictures seem a bit under exposed as well.

After some editing it doesn't look like an etching to me but a light stamp.