Schempp's Rock- Is VG-10 a suitable steel for it?

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The new Spyderco's Schempp Rock looks really good. The Full flat grind also gives the Rock more slicing power. However i'm worried about using this knife for chopping and batoning. How well does VG-10 on such a large blade perform on such tasks?
For a much lower price, i can get an Esee6 and if i break it, i'll get a free replacement.
All that said, i really want to get the new Rock. But i need more opinions and convincing :)
 
I heard from one of ed schempp's posts that vg-10 is one most similar stainless steels to carbon steels.That is because of
it's tendency to roll at the edge rather then chip.
 
The fallknivens' bigger blades are vg10, and people seem to be able to beat the hell out of those blades. Based on that and spyderco's overall quality i wouldn't be afraid to use it i guess.
 
There's no way anyone could say for certain whether any given steel would be suitable for your possibly unique needs and style of cutting (or lack thereof). However, based on past performance, I tend to believe Ed Schempp, Sal Glesser, and the rest of the Spyderco team know what they're doing, so I trust VG-10 will be perfectly satisfactory for the vast majority of those who buy the Schempp Rock.
 
gine said:
I heard from one of ed schempp's posts that vg-10 is one most similar stainless steels to carbon steels.That is because of
it's tendency to roll at the edge rather then chip.
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But i've seen many reviews of Fallknives knives having chipped edges. I believe that VG-10 is rather brittle due to the large carbides.
 
I've also seen threads about ESEE's with chipped edges. I'd say it depends on what you do with the knife. I had a Rock Salt for a while, but ended up trading (which I regret doing); from what I can see, the Schempp Rock has the same stock thickness. Based on that alone, I'd say that if you're going to be really abusive, you should probably go with the ESEE. If you're not going to be abusive, pick whichever you like and I suspect you'll be fine.
 
Vg-10 is a fine grained ingot stainless steel.But I wouldn't but it next to 1095 for toughness.It is a Well rounded performer in the stainless group.
If spyderco is making a light chopper like the rock salt in vg-10,I would trust them all the way.
 
You can get an ESEE 6 for "much less"?? Where?

You can get a Schempp Rock for $125 shipped from a reputable dealer. Is an ESEE 6 really much less than that? You're not going to save even $20, most likely the difference will be $10 or less.

Also, VG-10 is a fine steel, it is not brittle at all in my experience. For it's hardness, it is one of the tougher steels I've used as far as edge wear goes..I rarely if ever see chips. That's at 60 Rc, as opposed to ESEE's 1095 which is something like 57 Rc.

VG-10 will certainly hold a better edge, and is stainless. Price is not a significant difference. It's really up to you which you choose, but you can't say one is clearly superior to the other (except maybe in ergonomics and blade angle for the Spyderco)
 
Frozy said:
But i've seen many reviews of Fallknives knives having chipped edges. I believe that VG-10 is rather brittle due to the large carbides.
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Based on that belief, plus your initial observation regarding warranties, I'd suggest you do Spyderco a favor and get the ESEE.
 
The Deacon said:
Based on that belief, plus your initial observation regarding warranties, I'd suggest you do Spyderco a favor and get the ESEE.
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I'm planning to use the knife for general utility, and some outdoors. I'm actually leaning towards the rock because the egro looks much better.
 
I have over 50 knives (mostly Spyderco) in VG-10 and have never had a problem with chipping. I have taken them out many times camping and chopped, feathered and even split wood. I wouldn't bang on a cinder block with them but VG-10 is a good steel. I have also done the same thing with 1095 and 01 with the same results.
 
Anyone noticed that the MSRP of Rock Salt is $199.95 while the Schempp Rock is $234.95?
But on the Schemmp's Rock description, this is what they say ''However, the additional cost of manufacturing them from H-1 steel put them out of the price range of some potential users.'' I'm almost a click away to ordering the Rock but this statement is bugging me.
 
I have a question for you all. Why do people automatically assume any large knife is meant for chopping? Show them a 10" blade 1/8" thick and the first thing they ask is "How does it chop?"
 
I designed this knife as light weight camp knife. For those that weight is a serious issue, it is a good choice. By it's length it will preform tasks within that realm, but with half the weight. It might not perform as well as a heavier knife chopping, but you could easily build a shelter. I've personally stretched the edges on much heavier knives with heavier geometry. This knife is designed to cut and do light chopping. I hope the ergonomics of the piece allow for longer use with less fatigue. In the long run I think that there will be less personal injury because of the ergonomics. This knife is balanced to be blade heavy with the back grip, equally balanced with the index finger forward in the groove and tail heavy when choked up with the middle finger in the forward index finer groove. The slight curve of the knife allows for rotational balance, to change blade vectors easily on every stroke, like in clearing brush. Check Albo-Kali-Silat for the self and personal defense aspects of this blade...Take Care...Ed
 
The Deacon said:
Based on that belief, plus your initial observation regarding warranties, I'd suggest you do Spyderco a favor and get the ESEE.
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+1 or a small camp axe.

yablanowitz said:
I have a question for you all. Why do people automatically assume any large knife is meant for chopping? Show them a 10" blade 1/8" thick and the first thing they ask is "How does it chop?"
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The inner (and sometimes outer) mall ninja crawls out once in a while. Thank you Ed for explaining the overall design and function regarding the SR. I'm sure it would be comfy in longer use scenarios. Your designs have a way to feeling very natural in the hand and that is what lends to the cut, both in safety and precision.
 
yablanowitz said:
I have a question for you all. Why do people automatically assume any large knife is meant for chopping? Show them a 10" blade 1/8" thick and the first thing they ask is "How does it chop?"
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Because most people use long blades for chopping tasks. I mean, what are knives with blades over 10 inches mainly made for?
 
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