School's out...

Triton

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Two different sword forums and two different bits of inanity. On one the kid is throwing his ideas out there about how if you could make a titanium cored katana (yeah it's ALWAYS a katana) that has a shell of swedish powdered steel and diamond dust would it make a superior sword? He's just trying to improve the sword making industry since because no one is using them anymore it's a safe bet that no one has thought of using modern technology with swords. :D

On the other it's the return of the infamous gunblade (yeah video game sword this time). You see, if we REALLY worked at it we could make a good gunblade and it would be an AWESOME weapon in Iraq...:D

Please kids, I understand the enthusiasm, but before throwing these never thought of brain storms out there please do a little poking around to:

1) Make sure no one has had that brain storm before (at least since last time school was out)
2) Discover what is actually practical in terms of sword form and what is not
3) Actually try to understand the technicalities of the materials you are talking about at least just a little...

Failing that please go purchase a smatchet, after all it's really the ultimate sword.
 
Or, the pimple faced ninnies could carry a gun and a blade at the same time. Look at me, I'm a revolutionary!
 
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variations of this theme pop up fairly regularly at Swordforum.com - wouldn't be surprised if it was that, or Netsword ;).
 
a shell of swedish powdered steel and diamond dust

Yet then read the latest reply relating Meier playing with diamond dust and resultant micrographs, blades. I would assume he was going for visual contrast though. Amixed blessing, browsing via new posts.

It is a little early for the summer madness but soon enough. I think the real trick though is to just chortle and move on, unless somehow sucked in. Amazing to me though that a newbie bash would raise its head here in the land of the truly uninformed but maybe that was its purpose. That may be a plus compared to another forum on training wheels where having fun is more important than being right. Then there is the musty old library of NetSword. Gosh, those were the days. Some scribes still remain in their cups there. SFI, a place for everything and everything in its place. myArmoury, the database everyone wished they had. BladeForums swordforum, maybe the last frontier town. Such jocular themes as smatchets reigning supreme certainly wouldn't fly far at a spot like the continuing boards off Viking Sword.

By the way, smatchets are girly blades and Chuck Norris is upset you would be picking on pimply faced ninnies.

Cheers

GC

I forgot about a couple more.

The Arma "We're Arma and you're not"
Schola "Being right is everything but the hell with it, lets have a party instead"
 
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A gunblade in Iraq? That's just silly. Does he realize the time it would take to put the soldier through Ninja training to be able to use it? It's just not feasible.
 
i read that whole titanium core/ dimond dust thread on the other forum. i'm pretty new to the wrold of the sword/knife enthusiasts but even i couldn't stop laughing. they just listed off the hardest materials they could think of and didn't even bother to think about the structural relashionship of those materials.

people have been making swords since some cave dude pulled a chunk of bronze out of the ground. i would venture a guess that mankind has pretty much figured out what works and what doesn't by now. inovation is great...but logic is even better.
 
...they just listed off the hardest materials they could think of...

Actually, titanium is generally a soft metal. That's they reason it doesn't usually make for a good blade, but Mission Knives uses some kind of titanium that I have heard DOES make for a good blade. I never thought of this before, but it makes sense that if there are so many different types and grades of steel, the same must be true of titanium (and all metals). Just as some steels make good blades, and others do not, I suppose the same is probably true of titanium as well. I learned something today. :cool:
 
Right, can't leave that out. I've heard many members here say that titanium can normally only get up to around 45 on the Rockwell scale, which would be far too soft to make a good knife blade, but I think Mission has solved that problem. Now granted, I'm just going on what I've heard from people who have much more experience with metal working than I, so don't hold me to any of this.:D
 
As I understand it:
Pure titanium is fairly soft, it's the alloys that can get higher Rockwell hardness, but these generally are inferior to stainless steels (and these to non-stainless/less-stainless steels) regarding hardness, wear resistance, etc assuming fairly standard levels for heat-treating (etc).

I'm not even sure if titanium IS heat-treated.
 
titanium is only heat teated to colour it. The colours it goes through are really pretty, gold, purple and blue in particular.

The properties of Titanium are lightness and high tensile strength.
 
Martensite, named after the German metallurgist Adolf Martens (1850–1914), is any crystal structure that is formed by displacive transformation, as opposed to much slower diffusive transformations. It includes a class of hard minerals occurring as lath- or plate-shaped crystal grains. When viewed in cross-section, the lenticular (lens-shaped) crystal grains appear acicular (needle-shaped), which is how they are sometimes incorrectly described. "Martensite" most commonly refers to a very hard constituent of steel (the alloy of iron and carbon) important in some tool steels. The martensite is formed by rapid cooling (quenching) of austenite which traps carbon atoms that do not have time to diffuse out of the crystal structure.

Titanium (pronounced /taɪˈteɪniəm/) is a chemical element with the symbol Ti and atomic number 22. It is a light, strong, lustrous, corrosion-resistant (including to sea water and chlorine) transition metal with a grayish color. Titanium can be alloyed with iron, aluminium, vanadium, molybdenum, among other elements, to produce strong lightweight alloys for aerospace (jet engines, missiles, and spacecraft), military, industrial process (chemicals and petro-chemicals, desalination plants, pulp, and paper), automotive, agri-food, medical prostheses, orthopaedic implants, dental endodontic instruments and files), dental implants), sporting goods, jewelry, and other applications.[1] Titanium was discovered in England by William Gregor in 1791 and named by Martin Heinrich Klaproth for the Titans of Greek mythology.

The element occurs within a number of mineral deposits, principally rutile and ilmenite, which are widely distributed in the Earth's crust and lithosphere, and it is found in almost all living things, rocks, water bodies, and soils.[1] The metal is extracted from its principal mineral ores via the Kroll process[2], or the Hunter process. Its most common compound, titanium dioxide, is used in the manufacture of white pigments.[3] Other compounds include titanium tetrachloride (TiCl4) (used in smoke screens/skywriting and as a catalyst) and titanium trichloride (used as a catalyst in the production of polypropylene).[1]

The two most useful properties of the metal form are corrosion resistance, and the highest strength-to-weight ratio of any metal.[4] In its unalloyed condition, titanium is as strong as some steels, but 45% lighter.[5] There are two allotropic forms[6] and five naturally occurring isotopes of this element; 46Ti through 50Ti with 48Ti being the most abundant (73.8%).[7] Titanium's properties are chemically and physically similar to zirconium.

Characteristics

Physical
A metallic element, titanium is recognized for its high strength-to-weight ratio.[6] It is a light, strong metal with low density that, when pure, is quite ductile (especially in an oxygen-free environment),[18] lustrous, and metallic-white in color. The relatively high melting point (over 1,649 °C or 3,000 °F) makes it useful as a refractory metal.

Commercial (99.2% pure) grades of titanium have ultimate tensile strength of about 63,000 psi (434 MPa), equal to that of some steel alloys, but are 45% lighter.[5] Titanium is 60% heavier than aluminium, but more than twice as strong[5] as the most commonly used 6061-T6 aluminium alloy. Certain titanium alloys (e.g., Beta C) achieve tensile strengths of over 200,000 psi (1380 MPa).[19] However, titanium loses strength when heated above 430 °C (800 °F).[5]

Due to their high tensile strength to density ratio,[6] high corrosion resistance[2], and ability to withstand moderately high temperatures without creeping, titanium alloys are used in aircraft, armor plating, naval ships, spacecraft, and missiles.[3][2] For these applications titanium alloyed with aluminium, vanadium, and other elements is used for a variety of components including critical structural parts, fire walls, landing gear, exhaust ducts (helicopters), and hydraulic systems. In fact, about two thirds of all titanium metal produced is used in aircraft engines and frames.[20] The SR-71 "Blackbird" was one of the first aircraft to make extensive use of titanium within its structure, paving the way for its use in modern fighter and commercial aircraft. An estimated 59 metric tons (130,000 pounds) are used in the Boeing 777, 45 in the 747, 18 in the 737, 32 in the Airbus A340, 18 in the A330, and 12 in the A320. The A380 may use 146 metric tons, including about 26 tons in the engines.[37] In engine applications, titanium is used for rotors, compressor blades, hydraulic system components, and nacelles. The titanium 6AL-4V alloy accounts for almost 50% of all alloys used in aircraft applications.
 
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