Schrade 1194 ID

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My fiancee was cleaning out a closet in her dad's office and found a bag full of knives that a client of his gave him some time ago. She came home and gave the bag to me to browse through. I found in there several Moore Maker pocket knives, Kutmaster(Utica Cutlery) folding knives, and a few Schrade Walden folding knives that I was curious about. The blade says "Trade EVERLASTINGLY SHARP Mark" and is stamped " Schrade Walden, NY USA" On the back of the blade is stamped "1194"
I was curious about these knives because they look almost exactly the same as the Utica Cutlery knives and have the same shield on them that Utica Cutlery uses. But the blade was stamped with Schrade Walden whereas the Utica Cutlery ones are stamped "Utica Cutlery Co. USA"
I have been researching these Schrade Walden knives and I have heard that Schrade went out of business in 2004 and then the "Everlastingly Sharp" blade etching started being used by Camillus & Taylor Brands. I really suspect though that these Schrade Walden "Everlastingly Sharp" knives were made by Utica Cutlery because the shield is the same design that Utica uses and my fiancee said the man that gave him the bag of knives worked for Utica Cutlery.
I believe that the Everlastingly Sharp blade etch was used on the Schrade Walden until 1973 and was the model 293Y but post 2004 models are called 1194?
Im not sure of the blade material. I thing Utica Cutlery uses either 420 Stainless or 1095 Carbon steel on all their blades though.
I am trying to figure out 1. If these knives are vintage pre 1973 Schrade, 2. If it is a post 2004 Schrade knife that is some kind of counterfeit, 3. If my guess is correct that this is a Schrade Walden knife that was contracted out to be made by Utica Cutlery.
Maybe the blades stamped Schrade Walden were made by Schrade and the knife was assembled for some reason at the Utica factory. Any information from more knowledgeable guys is appreciated and I will try to provide more useful info if needed. The top 2 knives are Schrade Walden and the bottom smaller knife is Utica Cutlery. Thanks
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The yellow one is a post 2004 Camillus made trapper I believe, but not sure. Definitely none of the three are pre-1973. The Everlastingly Sharp Etch was seen on the pre-1973 plastic tube inserts, marketing materials, and on knife cases, during the Cut Co and Schrade Walden eras, but somewhat uncommon on knife blades.

I've seen a few Schrade Walden USA 804 whittlers with the etch, not sure which other patterns. There are a few on some nostalgic remakes with a Schrade Walden NY USA stamping in the early 2000's before the bankruptcy, and on many if not most of the Taylor contracts.

And yes the yellow trapper shown was a 293Y Schrade Walden pattern and stamped as such on the back of the tang if genuine.
 
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As Hal has said, the top knife could be Camillus or Utica. If Camillus, it could be just before 2004 (doubtful) or just after 2004 (more likely). The middle knife is definitely Utica, post-2004. The early MooreMaker (a retail hardware store) knives were made by Camillus.
 
Ok so both Camillus and Utica ended up making the post 2004 trapper knife? Would Camillus use the same shield on the knife that Utica uses on their? The top 2 blades say Schrade Walden which could be either Camillus or Utica but the bottom one is a Utica kutmaster and they all have the same shield. I wasnt sure if Utica was the only ones who used that shield design.
 
Almost every cutlery in the world used/uses that shield pattern on some of their knives. I know that some Camillus knives used a shield 'like' that, but with just a little bit more 'fancy' corners. I often see that pattern described as a "Federal" shield, and it was often used as a motif in patriotic banners, posters, badges, etc., from time immemorial, very common in 19th century America. It must date back to original military shields and heraldry. It has to be the absolutely most common shield pattern on pocket knives. Sometimes it is elongated, and is often referred to in that guise as a 'bomb' shield. So, to answer your question, "I don't know."
 
Ok thanks for the info. I had been digging around and looking into the history of the Schrade company and Thawk & Tongueriver helped me piece things together better.
 
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