Just got my hands on a nice 165uh,however I have noticed that it does not have the uncle henry shield on the handle,other knives of the same model I have seen have this shield,does anyone know if some of these knives came from the factory without the shield or has mine been modified,it was listed as new when I purchased it from ebay,does anyone know?
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Schrade 165UH Prospector
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Yes, they came from the factory that way. Why they were made without the UH shield, I have yet to discover. My opinion is that they are a third production run made well after the original 165OT/UH was discontinued. If you look closely, you can see that the handle scale was never inleted for a shield. Perhaps they were intended for a special factory order which never materialized. According to Robert Clemente, the original two productions were in 1969-1970, and 1994-1997. Here is a picture Larry posted of the first of those two with the Walden OT version.
Here is the second issue.
And here is the third issue you ask about.
Did you get your knife with box and papers? The one I am showing came with what you see, and though it is possibly a seller's assemblage, the insert is #7180711, © 2002, Schrade Tough Logo (first seen circa 1997), white/black text, no PRF(product registration form), lists the schradeknives.com (which is 1998 or later).
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Here is the second issue.
And here is the third issue you ask about.
Did you get your knife with box and papers? The one I am showing came with what you see, and though it is possibly a seller's assemblage, the insert is #7180711, © 2002, Schrade Tough Logo (first seen circa 1997), white/black text, no PRF(product registration form), lists the schradeknives.com (which is 1998 or later).
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Lack-o-box and erzatz papers do not make your knife any less nice. But I can see why those might cause you concern. A bunch of these knives were found, according to one seller, in a warehouse without sheaths (well before the bankruptcy), simply polybagged. Seller stated that he had to buy the matching sheaths from Schrade. That could have been seller lore, or it could have been straight joe. I am always looking for documentation of these, such as the papers with the knife I showed. Even then I mentioned that it could be a seller's assemblage. They have learned that the sheath, those bits of paper can bring them more money from a collector on a sale. I've even seen "last run Ellenville" certificates of authenticity sold with the "New Generation" imported knives. I made a purchase of an unstamped example of a 15OT from one disgruntled seller who wound up with a "pig in a poke" on eBay when he was sold a Taylor chinese 15OT (via the old fuzzy-photo ploy), and then questioned the authenticity of the unstamped U.S. version he had because it was etched instead of stamped. Part of the deal was that I had to take the chinee knife as a freebie. While he made it plain in his own auction what the Taylor knife was, even put the story in his listing, I don't feel like I paid for the knife, as the price I paid was the value I had assigned to the real knife, not the value of a "two-for" deal.
If/when I find documentation for the order on these, I'll post it on this thread.
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If/when I find documentation for the order on these, I'll post it on this thread.
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My 165uh appeared on ebay pictured the same as the third issue knife that codger posted above,I have been looking more closely at the knife today and comparing it with a couple of 165ot woodsman which I have and I have to say that compared to the woodsman the prospectors workmanship seems poor and not as well made as I would expect from a genuine USA made knife,for a start the stamp on the blade is not straight and in much smaller text than any other in my collection,also the rivets holding on the staglon handle are protruding slightly and not very well finished,Im starting to worry a little that I may have paid top dollar for a sellers assembly or even worse a complete fake!
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The knife you describe sounds like a reject or set up piece, not a fake. Anyone who would spend 3-6 thou for blanking dies, have all the equipment required to do material reduction grinds, buy a hardened steel tangstamp, pay for those expensive injection molds for the handles plus the materials and dye, would do a better job of their fakery, and expect to sell it for double or more what it cost to produce it, and sell beaucoup of them, not a few dozen, or even a few hundred. Perhaps the mythical "pallet of origin" was just that, a pallet of warehoused rejects, or end of days assemblages using up blades and handles from the WIP stocks to bolster the finished stock inventory.
While it does not sound like an example of Schrade's finest from your description, this still does not make the knife worthless, IMHO. It is still a part of Schrade history. Send me an email if you are inclined to unload it and didn't give an arm or leg for it. The reason I don't have one of these yet myself is that I refuse to overpay for one based on what the sellers think they can squeeze, not my own appraisal of value. By the way, all of this is just the opinion of an old...
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While it does not sound like an example of Schrade's finest from your description, this still does not make the knife worthless, IMHO. It is still a part of Schrade history. Send me an email if you are inclined to unload it and didn't give an arm or leg for it. The reason I don't have one of these yet myself is that I refuse to overpay for one based on what the sellers think they can squeeze, not my own appraisal of value. By the way, all of this is just the opinion of an old...
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Ive had a good look at the sheath of the 165uh today and it also does not inspire much confidence in this knife being factory made,the buttons have "sk30-universal" stamped on them,I can only assume that this is some kind of aftermarket copy of the original 165 sheath as I have never noticed this on any original schrade USA sheath before.Regardless of all this I will hold onto this knife and possibly make it a user just to find out if whoever did put it together did a good enough job to allow it to take some punishment,hopefully some time in the future we may find out the truth about this mysterious third and final issue of the 165uh!
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Schrade used quite a few sheath suppliers over the years, and sometimes specified a SCHRADE stamp on the snap button, and sometimes forbad it, particularly with sheaths that might be used for warranty replacements on SFO knives. Also, the individual sheath suppliers used snaps from several different companies. My oldest 165OT sheath has a snap with plain button, and the inside says "ROME*NEW HAVEN*". I can't get to the others at the moment, but I know that "Universal" is one I've seen on my SC205 Sharpfinger sheath. Schrade did eventually have a sheath department which ran some limited edition specialty sheaths, but most of their production sheaths came from outside vendors. But they never made their own snaps that I am aware of.
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