Schrade 2nds ?

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Did Schrade sell seconds to employees? I have some Case seconds and just found this in some knives my Dad gave me. Looks like the stamp was partially ground. On the Case seconds you can not read Case at all. Maybe it was just made this way. ?????

Also does anyone know the approximate year it was made?

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Yes, Schrade had a factory seconds store for employees. And many knives from this store have found their way into the secondary market, both from knives sold from the factory auction and from former employees selling their knives. Some had tang stamps ground, some struck thru or "X"'d. Also, the reject bins at the factory in October of 2004 were a part of the bankruptcy sale, so those knives are out there too as well as all the knives in-plant for repair work. Some of the defects are hardly noticable and some are pretty major.

Here is one fixed blade from my collection, an X-Timer XT2B that made it by QC and onto a dealer's shelf before the closing.

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Do you see the error? :)

Michael
 
:DCould it it be OH Ya the dang handel Is upsidedown!!!:p


I have seen people on that auction site advertise two XX Schrade:confused: really believing that they have a Case Schrade clone:eek::foot:!


I have a old (USED AND CARRIED alot) 2 blade Hunter w/ ground tang and can't find a thing wrong with it, so they must have ,at one time been VERY:thumbup: pickey in the QC dept.:D
 
Yes, IMHO, while the Baer brothers were alive and running the show, they were very picky about the quality of their knives. Some of that still remained later, but institutional memory only goes so far when the wolf is at the door and you are up to your butt in alligators and watching out for drop bears.

Yes, the handle was installed upside down (or.... as has been suggested in the past, the handle is right, it is the blade that is upside down). Then again, it might be a "fighting version" of this hunting knife designed for those who like to fight with their blades held edge up. :p

Michael
 
I don't see anything wrong with this one but it has been used and could have been a finish problem. Dad knew the Schrade rep and may have gotten it from him. He was very fond of Schrade-Waldens/Schrades, maybe because his WWII jump knife was a Schrade-Walden. I could see where he would have kept the second to use and left the others in the box.

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Don't see a problem with yours, perfect for perry 2 followed by an upper cut.:)
 
I found another one I had forgotten about. I looked at the 3 bladed knife and it looked like the stamp could have been made over the grinder marks. That did not make sense and it was too worn to be sure. I found another Schrade and not only does it look like it was stamped over the grind but I see traces of another mark under the grind marks. If it would not ruin the knife I would do a die stamped restoration just to see if I could raise the stamp.

Does anyone recognize the remnant mark? Look at the top right. The Schrade mark also has 2 strike marks through it that do not show very well.

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Trent Rock said:
Explain to me the die stamp restoration?? :confused:
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Hi Trent
When a stamp is made in metal the metal is compressed under the stamp (or die). If is is obliterated (often done in serial numbers of a guns), we can polish the area and use an acid to "etch" the metal. The harder die stamped area does not dissolve as fast as the surrounding area. By doing this the number, or impression is raised rather than indented and would wear off quickly. It removes a significant amount of metal and discolors the surface. I know the knife is just worth a couple of bucks but I am just not that curious.
 
Sometimes obtaining a 'Second' can be the only reasonable priced way to obtain a representative example. I just bought Ebay#220297430767 for $31 which is stamped XX on tang. It is the scrimshaw 'The Lance' made by Schrade for Montgomery Ward. Only 2500 examples and the last mint example just went for $204!!. I have all the others in the Native American series and never bothered to get 'The Lance' when they were going for a song because its not really part of the series however it is now accepted by collectors that the series is not really complete without it which is why they are selling at prices disproportionate to the others that had 10,000 odd mintages.There are other Schrade knives with similar small mintages as 2500 that dont bring anything like $204.
I'm happy with a 'Second' for $31 to complete the 'collection' until the real deal reasonably priced comes along. Hoo Roo
 
Larry303 said:
Sometimes obtaining a 'Second' can be the only reasonable priced way to obtain a representative example. I just bought Ebay#220297430767 for $31 which is stamped XX on tang. It is the scrimshaw 'The Lance' made by Schrade for Montgomery Ward. Only 2500 examples and the last mint example just went for $204!!. I have all the others in the Native American series and never bothered to get 'The Lance' when they were going for a song because its not really part of the series however it is now accepted by collectors that the series is not really complete without it which is why they are selling at prices disproportionate to the others that had 10,000 odd mintages.There are other Schrade knives with similar small mintages as 2500 that dont bring anything like $204.
I'm happy with a 'Second' for $31 to complete the 'collection' until the real deal reasonably priced comes along. Hoo Roo
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I have not thought about the seconds as they were all given to me but I look for good used knives at much cheaper prices than mint one. Then I can carry and use them with no worries. The seconds make sense also. There is a small imperfection on the rivet of the fruit knife but otherwise looks good.

Can you see the stamped impression at the top and make anything out of it? Looks like the last letter was an "R" but not much left of it.
 
my guess is it could of had "ulster" stamped there originally----same baers. i've always told people i like to collect VINTAGE EXAMPLES, buying a second in its own way is unique. i was hoping the schrade/camillus swap forum would happen,, i have a near mint 858 ot lumberjack second to trade somebody for some pattern i dont have yet.
brady
 
brady806 said:
my guess is it could of had "ulster" stamped there originally----same baers. i've always told people i like to collect VINTAGE EXAMPLES, buying a second in its own way is unique. i was hoping the schrade/camillus swap forum would happen,, i have a near mint 858 ot lumberjack second to trade somebody for some pattern i dont have yet.
brady
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Thanks, I almost imagined it could have "Ulster" but could not imagine why. Any knowledge, speculation or even WAGs as to why a second was made by Ulster and the restamped Schrade and then the Schrade Xed out?
 
Remember the drawers, boxes and bins sold at auction, as well as the seconds sold through the company store. Want a plausable WAG? The sampler knives were Ulster patterns. Then the Ulster branding was for the most part discontinued. But some of the patterns continued to be made under the Schrade Walden mark. This sampler was popular, like the florest's knives, as ad specialty knives to be stamped with the names of packers and wholesale supply companies who gave them out to their fruit and meat, florist customers. It would make sense that they were trying out the fit and positioning of a new stamp on an older second of the same pattern the stamp was intended for. "...TER" seems to me to be the original mark peeking out from the grind.
 
Codger_64 said:
Remember the drawers, boxes and bins sold at auction, as well as the seconds sold through the company store. Want a plausable WAG? The sampler knives were Ulster patterns. Then the Ulster branding was for the most part discontinued. But some of the patterns continued to be made under the Schrade Walden mark. This sampler was popular, like the florest's knives, as ad specialty knives to be stamped with the names of packers and wholesale supply companies who gave them out to their fruit and meat, florist customers. It would make sense that they were trying out the fit and positioning of a new stamp on an older second of the same pattern the stamp was intended for. "...TER" seems to me to be the original mark peeking out from the grind.
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Might be a WAG .............but I think it fits .............and can not think of anything else to expain it. Well, I'll keep diggin through my boxes and see what else falls out.
 
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