Schrade factory Error?

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I recently purchased a Schrade knife. The Blade has "Schrade+ USA SC503." However, the handle is a regular delrin old timer. The handle nor blade appears to have been replaced. Is this a factory error?
Every Schrade SC503 I have seen has a Scrimshaw handle.
Your help is appreciated
 
I don't know for sure but I'd say it is one of the end of days knives from when they were emptying the bins of everything they had on hand.A lot of strange combinations came from then.Arnold
 
Sounds like a recent buy of mine. It looked like a 50Twith green delrin handles but had a 515SC blade which was originally for a Scrimshaw knife.
 
High just curious does anyone know if factory errors make a knife more valuable?? i heard they do, eg spelling mistakes on knife or wrong material???
 
Timstools said:
High just curious does anyone know if factory errors make a knife more valuable?? i heard they do, eg spelling mistakes on knife or wrong material???
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Some collectors might think so. I guess there might be a few error collectors out there. IMHO, so much of the pre-auction assembled WIP was mismatched that one would need some evidence that a knife was a retail marketed item for it to be considered an error. Plus SMKW bought a lot of SFOs, blank scrims, and old stock overruns for years, and tons of unassembled knife parts went out the door in the auction. Factory rejects for years had the stamp "X'd" out or a line struck thru them, or even ground completely off. I have a couple of those. If I remember correctly, such knives were sold to employees thru the company store, and also in bulk lots to SMKW and others.

I showed my XT2B with inverted handle several times here. I didn't/wouldn't give more for it because it was a retailed error knife, but I bought it as a cheap example of an error oddity. I have an older 897UH with delrin pickbone scales. No real story behind it, except that it appears to be a UH Turkish clip mounted in a RB frame. Maybe it was a factory replacement blade, but I don't think so since all the blades are mint unused. These knives are odd, and many times present nice material combinations not seen on production knives, but I can't say I have noticed anyone really digging deep to buy them.

Michael
 
I would definitely pay more for a x timer with a handle around the wrong way just because it is such a freek, but thats just me.

I have a Weidmansheil German damascus lock back with a spelling mistake in small print on sheild inlay of handle, i think with this it would probably be worth a little more because it is very unusual for a knife of such high quality and finish to have a small mistake, makes it a bit of a novelty item.

Imagine if a genuine $100 dollar bill had a mistake? It would be worth alot to a collector but maybe have no $100 currency value??? Thats because they just dont make mistakes and if they did WOW !!!

Hope i didnt open up a can of worms, youve made me think it is a curious question??
 
In many genres of collecting, errors have great value. Some coin collectors specialize in such coins. Here is a famous example from the stamp collecting world:

The sheet of one hundred with inverted centers was purchased at face value at the Post Office by W. T. Robey. They cost him exactly twenty-four dollars. Within a few weeks he sold this sheet of stamps to the late Eugene Klein, a dealer in Philadelphia. Mr. Klein is reported to have paid $15,000, or at the rate of $150 per stamp. Mr. Klein sold the sheet of stamps to the late Colonel E. H. R. Green reportedly for the huge sum of $20,000, which is $200 per stamp. Colonel Green broke up the sheet, retained the blocks he wished and made the others available at $250 per stamp. Thus these stamps were now "in the market"; they were available to collectors. The price of a single stamp from this sheet rapidly advanced as they changed hands. In recent years a single copy has been offered for $7000.

 
Michael
What a rip off !!! All those people paid way too much and should get a refund !!! Dont they realise that these planes can actually fly upside down !!!
Regards Tim
 
I've saved this bottle for years, probably not worth much but it is interesting.

Luis


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G'Day..I suspect there have been unintentional slip ups for years as happens in every coin mint in the world..I have genuine Mint LB1 boxed timber scales,a Mint Scrimshaw 511 Sc and the odd man out Mint Timber Scale LB1 but with 511SC Tang Stamped Blade. I dont think it will ever be worth anymore because if I buy a mint knife I want a pristine perfect example of that knife. IMHO Hoo Roo
 
...it raises the question similar to my 51OT,would Schrade still have had new parts stockpiled for a knife which hadn't been in production for some 24 years and available at close out to simply finish off with whatever blade with whatever handle? Hoo Roo
 
Michael
Im wondering if your X Timer might be Human Error as I was talking to a friend who used to work at a High Quality Stanley tools factory and they press the scredriver handles on with a press by hand one at a time. Not sure though.
Kind Regards Tim
 
(see edit below)The assembler pressed the handle onto the tang, then it went to a vertical mill to have the lanyyard hole iner pressed in and flared, securing the handle to the tang. Then it was to be inspected and packed. The man I bought this from bought two, NIB unopened, from a hardware store (pre-closing). Only when he opened them did he see the error. So they are not "end of days" or employee store knives.




I was wrong in my description of the assembly process of these knives. What I described was the way such assembly is done in our machine shop without specially prepared nests and presses. Here is what really was done, better explaining how such an error could occur, when the assembler was also the inspector and packer. Here is the correct assembly as was relayed to me by someone who knows firsthand:

"Your information on the XT2B assembly / inspection is not accurate. The handle was partially inserted by hand, as you stated. However, it was not placed in a “vertical mill”. The machine used was made in house, it consisted of an air cylinder which pressed on the handle and another air cylinder which flared the ferule. This unit was horizontal. This was one of the first lines to be inspected / packed by the operators, it did not go through a formal final inspection."

 
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