Schrade IXL Wostenholm lockback

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I was wondering if you guys could give me some info on this Schrade IXL? I ran across it in a collection that I am managing for a friend. Many of the knives have price tags on them from the original owner trying to sell them at gun and knife shows, and for the most part, the prices tagged on the knives are within the ballpark of what they are actually worth. But, this on had a price of $650.00. That doesn't seem right to me. I haven't been able to find another IXL like this one anywhere on the net. What can you tell me about the knife?

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i have 5 IXL Schrade Wostenholm lockbacks; 3 in stag and 2 linen micarta.
none looks anything like yours. also there "should" be: I*XL-Schrade/Wosenholm on tang and a hallmark on left rear bolster and a serial # on left front bolster.
the frame on yours resembles to me, the large Camillus lockback.
Mr. Parker owned the IXL trademark after Schrade and i have seen(and did own) cheapo knives with the IXL Wostenholm etch and stamp, but not with IXL-Schrade.
however, you need a real expert to know for sure.
here is a rather poor pic. of 2 of mine for comparison. roland
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That's a curious knife. Other than the etch, it doesn't look like a Schrade Wostenholm IXL. The bolsters look more like an LB seres knive. The bone jigging looks like Wostenholm though, and very nice at that. I'd send it over and let Bernie Levine check it out.
 
If there are no markings other than the etch this could be a prototype of sorts before they released the standard IXL range of knives, I'm sure there were many different designs before Schrade/Wostenholm settled on the patterns used, never seen a pattern that size with one pin either.

Rusty1
 
Second one from the end is the same bolsters but not handle insert. Mine is made in England. very rare to ever see one.
Regards Tim
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all the I*XL-Schrade knives i have seen have nickle-silver bolsters. i have never seen a verified one with brass bolsters, and the front bolster on this one is not like that of an LB7, but more like a Camillus or Buck. so i am dubious that this is an authentic I*XL-Schrade. please inform me if i am wrong here. roland
 
So I'ts a Cambucschradenholm, Buck 110's of the 1970's look more like this model than any other manufacturer of the same pattern, the shape of the cutout for the lock is more pronounced than on later models whether it be Buck or Camillus. Roland noted that the front bolster is different on the LB7, also with the rear bolster, the angle of the cut across the bolster where the handle meets is greater on the knives of the LB OT family as well.

Rusty1
 
so is this an authentic I*XL-Schrade or not ??? this thread is in BRL as well,and info is: Camillus pattern#5762, made by Camillus '81-'82, then shipped to Richard's factory Sheffield to have bone handles put on !! so Mr Baer was mixing his assets(Schrade, Camillus, Richards[IXL Wostenholm]). a hybrid. value ? maybe hi for hybrid collectors ! otherwise, low IMHO. roland
 
Phil Gibb's answer seals it for me, he worked there for many years right up until the end, he should know more than anyone if it passed through the hands of Camillus. I think I read posted in this forum a while back, that the Schrade IXL knives had a connection with Camillus at some point. I will see if I can find it. It is certainly different
and would add it to my collection of IXL's.

Rusty1
 
This was the post I was reffering to, regarding the Camillus connection. compiled by Michael (Codger64)

Rusty1

In 1977, Schrade bought Richards holdings in Sheffield, England which included:
Richards on Moore Street, a 180,000 sf factory making scissors, pocket knives and kitchen cutlery.

Rogers Wostenholm on Guernsey Road making two famous brands, the Jas. Rogers “Star and Cross“, and the I*XL brand.Schrade IXL products produced at Morse Street factory until 1982.

Also the Richards hollow ware factory “Satinsteel”. Mr. Tony Gibbs was given the managing directorship of these factories.

According to member Sebago, The Schrade/I*XL knives were made at the Richards of Sheffield, factory, Moore Street in 1980/81. Five patterns were made and the bolsters were stamped (hallmark fashion) S W (head device) 0. The zero would indicate 1980 production. The S W would indicate Schrade / Wostenholm. According to Phil Gibbs, the lock backs were made at Camillus, sent as skeletons to Sheffield where they were hallmarked on the bolsters, the handles were added, & the knives were finished. The patterns were; Three different size lockbacks (White micarta. Stag and Red Bone, as well as a three blade stockman in Red bone and a three blade* canoe in Stag. The knives were sold singly and in serial numbered sets with a display case. The faces of the blades were etched with a "Schrade Wostenholm" banner. Many were later sold without a serial number.

The factories were sold by Imperial in August of 1982 to a British firm, Western Knives. It closed in October of 1983. The late James Parker leased the I*XL trademark from the people that held it for a short while (c.1983/4). The Egginton Group purchased both the Rodgers and the I*XL trade marks in 1986. I noted with interest that Joseph Rogers knives are currently advertised in the Australian collector's magazine Knives Australia.

Michael

PS- Here is the thread where the convoluted history of the marks are discussed in the Levine forum here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...ght=Wostenholm
 
Rusty, i am interested to know why you would add this knife to your IXL collection.
i am interested in the original I*XL-Schrades from '80 & '81, with blade etch,tang stamp, hallmark and serial #.
this one makes me think of an after-thought, a put together of remaining parts by a subsequent owner, possibly Mr. Parker. he did put out quite a few LBs(v. poorly made) with I*XL Wostenholm blade etch.
however, i say this, so that i may be corrected if there is evidence otherwise, as i enjoy the minutia of knife history. roland
 
Roland, in the past I have passed up other irregularities on knives only to find out later the knife was indeed rather rare, I think that is why my initial thought was to add it to my collection, it has the correct etch on the blade, no tang stamp, rather odd I admit, although because of the etch it would add a characteristic difference to the rest of the IXL knives I have collected already.

Rusty1
 
Rusty, thanks for passing on the tip about irregularities sometimes proving to be a special collectable. my holdback is not wanting to buy a fake or repro. and not knowing enough to distinguish.
i assume there is no way to know if just these 2 exist with this pattern or if there are more out there, however no one here said they had seen one like it before. roland
 
I may have the records for the Wostenholm skeletons that were made by Camillus. During the early 1980's I remember several Skeletons that were made for Schrade. These knives were Camillus' patterns.

Tom Williams
 
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