Schrade Lightweight Research

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I posted a version of this some time back, but since I just acquired another example, I decided to revive it. his series is one which is, for the most part ignored. These were intended to be inexpensive working knives, a role they fill quite well.

Imperial Schrade experienced lagging sales in the late ‘80's/early ‘90's, as most knife companies were. And like most knife companies, they expanded their line with sports oriented designs in an attempt at capturing another few percentage points of the lower price point market. While a lot of companies outsourced these low cost knives overseas, Schrade attempted to do it domestically. Thus were born two series, the “Cliphangers” and the “Lightweights”. Both designs were simple with few parts to be assembled, and both utilized molded plastic handles with stainless blades. Other than the blades themselves, very little machining was required.

The Lightweight series all had Zytel handles and Schrade+ stainless blades. Prices ranged from $15.95 to $41.95. Maroon zytel was used on the handles in the first year or two before black became the norm for the series. The coined shield bearing the cutler and anvil logo was a separate component inserted into a molded recess for the first two years, then it was changed for 1989 to a comolded flush oblong shield with the text “SCHRADE” and the cutler and anvil logo. This part of the mold was later made as a removable insert since custom shielding was common on limited and private editions.

Lightweight Variants

There were eight variants of the lightweight series listed:
SP1 Nighthawk 1987-2004
SP2 Raider 1989-2004
SP3 Firebird 1987-2004
SP7 5" Turbo 1987-1991
SP8 Cougar 1990-1991
SP12X Nighthawk X 1999-2000
SP22X Raider X 1999-2000
SP32X Firebird X 1999-2000




SP1 - The 2 5/8" SP1 Nighthawk was one of the first two Lightweight knives introduced in 1987. It had a stainless drop point blade and the list price for them was $16.95. This model had a seventeen year production run.

SP2 - The 3" SP2 Raider had a stainless drop point blade and listed for $18.95. This model was produced for fifteen years.

SP3 - The second knife introduced in 1987 was the 3 3/4" SP3 Firebird. It had a stainless drop point blade and listed for $24.95. While the model number of this knife changed in1998 to SH3 in the literature and on packaging to denote an included nylon sheath, the tangstamp remained the same. It was offered through the 2004 year, a seventeen year production run. This model became a favorite for special factory orders and special editions.

SP7 - In 1989 Schrade added the SP7 5" Turbo for $29.95. It had a 3 3/4" stainless drop point blade and listed for $29.95. This model was discontinued after 1991, a short three year production.

SP8 - A fifth knife, the 5" SP8 Cougar was introduced in 1990 and had a 3 3/4" stainless guthook drop point blade. It listed in 1991 for $36.95. This model was discontinued after 1991, a short two year production.

SP12X Nighthawk X - Introduced in 1999 was the 2 5/8" SP12X Nighthawk X. It had a blackened stainless drop point partially serrated “dual edge” blade, and an adjustable “sport cord” thong. The list price for them was $22.95. This model was discontinued after the 2000 year catalog giving it a two year production.

SP22X Raider X - Also introduced in 1999 was the 3" SP22 Raider X. It had a blackened stainless drop point partially serrated “dual edge” blade, and an adjustable “sport cord” thong. The list price for them was $23.95. This model was last offered in the 2000 catalog giving it a two year production.

SP32X Firebird X - The last of the three new X-series lightweights introduced in 1999 was the 3 3/4" SP32 Firebird X. It had a blackened stainless drop point partially serrated “dual edge” blade, and an adjustable “sport cord” thong as well as a nylon sheath. The list price for them was $29.95. These were discontinued after 2000 giving them a two year production.

Special Editions and Private Issues

SGS-5, SGS-5CP - In 1987, the Lightweight’s introductory year, the SP1 and SP3 were offered in a brown leatherette boxed gift set (SGS-5) for $39.95, and a nylon sheath was provided for the Firebird. This set continued to be offered in the catalogs through 1997 when the price was $46.90. The knives in the first sets were maroon Zytel. Subsequent sets were black Zytel. The set was also offered in the ‘I-Beam’ Clampacks (SGS-5CP).

Now, back when I first posted a portion of this, I had just acquired the first edition of the SGS-5 gift set.



and today, I got the SGS-5CP, the clampacked version.



These are your basic 'under the radar' Schrades, and represent some very good buys. I am not under the delusion that they will ever be high dollar collectables, I just... like 'em!

Michael

PS- All you closet lightweights, now is your chance to show me yours! ;)
 
I started a thread a month or so ago about a good experience I had with a schrade SW7 switch it lockback with the switchable pocket clip. So what catagory does a knife like this fall into, and when were these produced? I ordered one of these from smkw and liked it so much when I went there I bought 5 more just for an edc knife. I know its not a knife style of choice for some of you but I just gotta have the clip. and for $8.00 and its a usa schrade how do you go wrong... joel
 
My only Lightweight is an SP3 with a SCHRADE+ tang stamp. Closeout special. I find that quality of the Lightweight series is such that collector interest is probably minimal. Not much variation either. I think there is probably some interest in the NASCAR Lightweights and other commemoratives but due to their topic, not the knives themselves.

Of course you'll probably prove me wrong and show why anyone would be crazy not to collect the Lightweights...

By the way, I have a website archive file from 2004 of the Lightweight product page. It shows the SP1, SP2, and SP3. I'd be happy to e-mail you the file if you don't already have it.

-Bob
 
I started a thread a month or so ago about a good experience I had with a schrade SW7 switch it lockback with the switchable pocket clip. So what catagory does a knife like this fall into, and when were these produced? I ordered one of these from smkw and liked it so much when I went there I bought 5 more just for an edc knife. I know its not a knife style of choice for some of you but I just gotta have the clip. and for $8.00 and its a usa schrade how do you go wrong... joel[/img][/url]


Well, the Switch-it was new for 1999 and listed for $49.99 from the get-go. I think the suggested retail price hurt sales. Initially, both a SW7 plain edge and SW7S partially serrated were offered. The plain edge SW7 was dropped after teh 2001 year catalog. It was it's own pattern line, but for the sake of groupings, I'd put it into the Lightweight/Cliphanger group.

As far as not enough variety in the Lightweight line...
Sears - For 2002, Sears commissioned a special edition SP3 for their 75th Craftsman anniversary. It had a “Craftsman 75th” blade etch, and a special round silver coined commemorative 75 shield set into the handle in front of the molded craftsman shield.

NWTF - Sometime post 1998, a gift set was etched with the NWTF logo on the blades. The knives had black handles, and rested in a maroon flocked box insert. The SP3 was provides with a black nylon Schrade sheath.

Ducks Unlimited - A Ducks Unlimited version of the SGS-5 gift set featured a SP12X and a SP32X with blackened blades having a DU ducks head logo etch and attached sport cords. The SP32X was provided with a black nylon DU sheath with the white duck head logo.

In 2001, Schrade introduced the SDU3CP Ducks Unlimited in a clampack as a lower price point special edition. It had an antiqued DU duck head handle shield in addition to the molded Ducks Unlimited text shield, special blade etch, special edition package card of ducks in flight, and listed for $25.95. This edition continued to be listed through 2004. These knives will also be found with no coined shield or blade etch. And with a special etch for the DU “Green Wing” program.

Quail Unlimited - A Quail Unlimited version of the SP1 was made with special blade etch.

L.L.Bean - A red handled private edition was made and mold-shielded for L.L.Bean. This knife was also produced in dark olive green.

Bonus Pack - An SH3CPSS bonus pack was sold which included a free sharpening stone.

Varsity - Special editions were made in custom colors and shielded for various colleges.
CU2CP (Clemson)
FSU2CP (Florida)
LSU2CP (Louisianna)
UT2CP (Tennessee)
UG2CP (Georgia..red)
USC2CP (S. Carolina)
UA2 (Alabama)

As a side-note, orange handled SHD3CP Firebirds are commonly found in clampacks since the Schrade closing. These were reportedly produced for Home Depot.
SP2O (Orange)
SP3O (Orange)

SP2DUG (Greenwing)
SP3DUG (Greenwing)
SP3R (Red)
SP8DU
SP2G (Green)
SP2BL (Blue)
SP1G (Hunter Green)
DUSP1 (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP2 (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP3 (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP3X (Ducks Unlimited) DUSP12X (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP32X (Ducks Unlimited) SP3XFE
SP3NS
SP1AL
SP2AL
SP3AL
SP12XAL
SP22XAL
SP32XAL
WMSP1
MMS7
HD3CP (Orange Home Depot)
WTU3
SP3PS
CTSPCP NWTFSP3 (National Wild Turkey Federation)
SP1C2000
NRASP3
NRASTSP22X
AUB3CP

 
Heres is one I have, this was an incredible bargain it came free with a $1000 dollar shipment of knives. Its really really red, dont know if its rare but its red:) .

I wish i could get the marks off it, I do like it.

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Yep. That's another early one. Used mostly for SFO's. Even a Schrade anniversary knife way back in the day. Notice the coined shield. Only a year or two for those, IIRC. The Zytel handle material is tough. Try a liquid cleaner like orange plus or mean green.

Michael
 
Quail Unlimited - A Quail Unlimited version of the SP1 was made with special blade etch.
L.L.Bean - A red handled private edition was made and mold-shielded for L.L.Bean.
Bonus Pack - An SH3CPSS bonus pack was sold which included a free sharpening stone.
Varsity - Special editions were made in custom colors and shielded for various colleges.
CU2CP (Clemson)
FSU2CP (Florida)
LSU2CP (Louisianna)
UT2CP (Tennessee)
UG2CP (Georgia..red)
USC2CP (S. Carolina)
UA2 (Alabama)
HD3CP Firebirds
SP2O (Orange)
SP3O (Orange)
SP2DUG (Greenwing)
SP3DUG (Greenwing)
SP3R (Red)
SP8DU
SP2G (Green)
SP2BL (Blue)
SP1G (Hunter Green)
DUSP1 (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP2 (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP3 (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP3X (Ducks Unlimited) DUSP12X (Ducks Unlimited)
DUSP32X (Ducks Unlimited) SP3XFE
SP3NS
SP1AL
SP2AL
SP3AL
SP12XAL
SP22XAL
SP32XAL
WMSP1
MMS7
HD3CP (Orange Home Depot)
WTU3
SP3PS
CTSPCP NWTFSP3 (National Wild Turkey Federation)
SP1C2000
NRASTSP22X
AUB3CP
etc. etc. etc.

Naturally, and expectedly Codger proved me wrong, sort of. Sure, you can take three basic knife models, change the color of the plastic handles, and print different things on the blades. Does that count as true "variation"?

I dunno, but I can't wait to see the "Evidence for Collectibility" list for the Irish Tradesman products. :)

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
Yep definitely collectable then at the right price!! if one were to collect all the different colors and variations it would certainly be impressive when they were all line up together. Nice to get the whole series. Probably would em cheap!! not too much competition, YET !!
Cheers Tim
 
SGS-5, SGS-5CP - In 1987, the Lightweight’s introductory year, the SP1 and SP3 were offered in a brown leatherette boxed gift set (SGS-5) for $39.95, and a nylon sheath was provided for the Firebird. This set continued to be offered in the catalogs through 1997 when the price was $46.90. The knives in the first sets were maroon Zytel. Subsequent sets were black Zytel. The set was also offered in the ‘I-Beam’ Clampacks (SGS-5CP).

Now, back when I first posted a portion of this, I had just acquired the first edition of the SGS-5 gift set...and today, I got the SGS-5CP, the clampacked version.



These are your basic 'under the radar' Schrades, and represent some very good buys. I am not under the delusion that they will ever be high dollar collectables, I just... like 'em!

Michael

Any time you can pick up a Schrade for about ten percent of last MSRP, I consider that a deal. This set went for $4.99 and shipping, about ten bucks total.

I certainly won't try to tell anyone what to collect, much less define what is collectable. But you could put together a very nice set of the Lightweights for the price of a single desirable MIB fixed blade. While there were a finite number of shielding mold inserts made, the number of blade etches would amaze you. A representative frame might have only one of each shields, or colors, or models, or specialties like racing or Ducks Unlimited, or SFO etches, or year issue "Complements of" knives.


Another sidenote of interest with these knives. There was some heated discussion (if not litigation) between Gerber and Schrade when the Lightweights came out. They were a pretty obvious "lifting of design" from the earlier Gerber LST knives.

The bottom knife with the Georgia shielding insert is the Schrade UG2CP.

Michael
 
timstools which part of the greatest country on earth are you in?

Well I dont know about it being the greatest country on earth lots of deserd in the middle you know? Except in that tiny island on the bottom of the world called Tasmania Australia thats where I am.
Cheers Mate

Micheal thanks for the info!!
Do you think they are collectable???
 
I've done some very limited research on Switch-It models. It seems that the plain edge version is more desireable (drats, I have the combo). I'm not sure if this is simply because it was only in production for 3 years or sales or what.

I also found out that this is another model that Taylor is producing, so caution is in order.

Grad, for $8 you made a good purchase IMHO. I paid almost full retail from a little sporting goods store in July 06.
 
G'Day Tim, Didn't realize you were a Tasmanian Devil mate...have you had that operation on your toes yet so you can wear thongs the same as normal Australians??? Hoo Roo
 
Yes we are pretty rare especially the icon the Tasmanian Devils they could become extinct due to a disease thats rapidly spreading though whole population except for a few remaining isolated areas. Better to get one while you can. Bit like Schrades I think.
 
Michael...Do you think they are collectable???

As I said, everyone has their own ideal of what makes up a collection. In my own humble opinion, a Schrade collection is not complete without examples of every production knife they made. That especially includes the plethora of knife patterns made from 1973-2004. While one might shrug off the notion that the Imperial Stag, Listowel, Ireland knives be included, I don't see how a collection could document the history of Schrade, particularly the last decades, without including examples of the Lightweights, Cliphangers, Q3's Silhouettes, X-Tacs, and Nitros, Simons, and the X-timers. I don't personally admire the styling of these last designs, but that does not keep them from being an important part of Schrade's history. Yes, to me they are collectable. Perhaps all the more so as last-gasp efforts to keep the company afloat and retain major shares of an evolving market.

Collectors seem to be concentrating on the pretty, the special, the low production SFO's and limited editions, but they were just an adjunct to the company's production. In fact, if you look back at the desirable Schrade-Loveless collaboration, it was actually planned that it would lose money. he publicity was the target. he recognition of Schrade as a modern, progressive company ready to take on new designs. And they did this with the Loveless by making the production PH-1 and PH-2 knives, very good sellers.

Codger
 
in the early 90's there were multi colored SFO's for the racers.
pictures later...
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As I said, everyone has their own ideal of what makes up a collection. In my own humble opinion, a Schrade collection is not complete without examples of every production knife they made. That especially includes the plethora of knife patterns made from 1973-2004. While one might shrug off the notion that the Imperial Stag, Listowel, Ireland knives be included, I don't see how a collection could document the history of Schrade, particularly the last decades, without including examples of the Lightweights, Cliphangers, Q3's Silhouettes, X-Tacs, and Nitros, Simons, and the X-timers. I don't personally admire the styling of these last designs, but that does not keep them from being an important part of Schrade's history. Yes, to me they are collectable. Perhaps all the more so as last-gasp efforts to keep the company afloat and retain major shares of an evolving market.
I agree with that, and have a wide assortment of Schrade knives - Cliphanger, Lightweight, various Irish Imperials, Tradesman, X-Timer, Lake-Walker, etc. But I am only interested in these as examples and really have no interest in accumulating more of them nor seriously collecting them. The barriers to collecting the entire lines vary: not enough variety, uninteresting designs, lack of personal history with them, sub-par quality, and simply a lack of interest.

I can't "collect" everything - I'm already up to my eyeballs in Old Timers - but I do like to "accumulate" some of everything.

And I don't have a flawless crystal ball to show me what others will find collectible in the future, not would that necessarily affect my own collecting habits anyway.

My original thoughts on the Lightweight line stand. Only three different designs, with a multitute of slight variations for the sole purpose of marketing. If my crystal ball is working, those racecar knives will always be of minimal interest to knife collectors, but may find long-term desirability among racing fans, especially if the knives advertise a favorite driver or racing team.

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
As I said, everyone has their own ideal of what makes up a collection. In my own humble opinion, a Schrade collection is not complete without examples of every production knife they made.

Wow!!!!!!!

Micheal Thanks. My opinion is that just about anything is collectable but not anything is collectable for an investment and good return.

With many things return on investment is impossible to predict but chances are if a person can explain well why they like collecting a particular item (like you do!) then there is a very good chance someone else out there will like them for exactly the same reason!! And so it begins!!!
Thanks for your posts.
Tim
 
I've done some very limited research on Switch-It models. It seems that the plain edge version is more desireable (drats, I have the combo). I'm not sure if this is simply because it was only in production for 3 years or sales or what.

I also found out that this is another model that Taylor is producing, so caution is in order.

Grad, for $8 you made a good purchase IMHO. I paid almost full retail from a little sporting goods store in July 06.

If your interested smkw still has these and a lot of them when I was there for $8.99. Im sure you could get a little more for them on the bay. if not they are a pretty good work knife. you cant get chineese crap for 8 bucks.
 
If you bought a pile of those Irish Imperials for $1.39 each, wrote them up with a bit of background and hype, and showed a high-quality photo, I bet you could make 300-500% profit.

Could you have made 300% profit on higher-quality closeouts like the Old Timers and UH models? I doubt it - not yet anyway.

-Bob
 
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