Schrade Rigging Knives

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thanks to a "hot tip" from a forum member, i now own this fantastic "Ted Williams Bosn's Mate Rigging (or Sailor's) knife. pile side tang 735/Stainless. snaps like a 'gator on 'roids and spike lock up is absolute.
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i presume this was made for Craftsman/Sears ? any idea of date ?
and, this knife is both so tight yet smooth, it seems almost a "cut above" some of the other Schrade Waldens. were the "Ted Williams" branded knives made to a higher standard ?
here are 2 more: a Schrade/Walden/N.Y. U.S.A. // 735L/Stainless. i also have another, identical except 735 not 735L, but i can't find it right now.
and a Camillus/NEW YORK/U.S.A. with blade etch "ARTCO" (stylized C & O).
even though blade profile and handle jigging are different, i did once read that Schrade made the Rigging knives for Camillus ?
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any comments about Schrade/Camillus connection here ?
and anyone know why some Schrade Waldens are 735 and others 735L ?
maybe "L" = locking, but neither of my 2 lock, which i think is fairly common for locking mechanism to "wear out" on these ?
thanks, roland
 
2 days and no replies. no Marlin spike fans ? these are NICE knives, esp. the T.W. one ! and maybe a little help with questions: diff. 'twn 735 vs. 735L; and Schrade/Camillus connection here ? and were heaps of these made, or is it a somewhat rarer pattern ? help, help, i need to know ! roland
 
Try asking CAMCO over in the Camillus Collectors forum. Camillus may well have made some of these for Schrade. I know they did for a lot of companies. Mr. Williams will know.

Michael
 
Codger what about the "Ted Williams" knives ? i think you may have a T.W. 165 or 15OT. is the overall f'nf any different ? roland
 
Sometimes Sears ordered different construction details on Schrade production knives. I haven't seen any remarkable differences that can be directly tied to the Ted Williams signature line. Very often, the blade on a Sears SFO may be polished whereas it would be a coarser finish on a production knife. Or a different handle material treatment.

And I am yet to see my first Ted Williams tangstamp. Always, it has been the production Schrade Walden tangstamp with the Ted Williams etch on the blade. I'm trying to remember if I have seen a Craftsman stamped knife with the Ted etch. Seems like I have, but can't lay my finger on it right now.

Michael
 
Roland, I've got a few of the older Schrade Cuts and Ulsters, haven't managed to snag any of the S-W's though. They seem to have been fairly popular to have lasted in the company's line-up for all those years. That is a really fine example you have there. The Camillus design was also a carry through from the earlier years, although, like the Schrades, the early ones didn't have the lock. I wonder who came up with that design first. Michael, were there actually Ted Willaims tangs?!?Here are a few of the spikes I've got:
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Eric
 
nice knives Eric. wow, an Ulster Boy Scout Rigging knife, first 'rigger i have seen with B.S. logo.
is your S/W bone ? i read in BRL that U.S. Armed Services specified bone as handle material for it's Rigging knife contracts.
so i now think my 735 (which is temporarily "lost") is older then my 735L, and that L means locking, even though mine doesn't.
The T.W. Rigging knife is special. there is something about it in person, that just stands out and grabs your attention. some knives are like that !
interesting that your Cut. CO. has the same "Bos'n's Mate/Stainless Steel etch as my S/W T.W. knife. roland
 
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What do you think about the handle material Roland, on yours? If you get it in good light, and look at the edges with a magnifying glass, does it look like you can see pores? Eric's are bone for sure. Yours look like they could be. They are the same handle material aren't they?
 
i think both my T.W. and regular 735L are bone. jigging is same as on Eric's.
however i find some jigged Delrin on other Schrade and Camillus knives, very difficult to distinguish from bone even with my Zeiss loupe. the jigged Delrin is very well done, to so closely imitate jigged bone.
i wonder why Military wanted bone over Delrin, which i think is tougher under extreme conditions ? roland
 
Great score, Roland!

Looks just like mine!

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It's nice to find any knife in that condition, and even nicer with the etch intact.

I've said it before...Ted Williams was the Michael Jordan of his day, in regards to endorsements. We had a thread awhile back where people showed all the different things they owned with the Ted Williams name on them.

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I'm sure there is more out there...

Glenn
 
Glenn, ah, my knife's twin brother ! do you know what year these were made ? these Rigging knives are really solid (and useful too), but i think quite a few Schrade collectors don't have them as they are rarely mentioned.
maybe after reading this a few others will discover what a satisfying knife this is to own. roland
 
rprocter said:
do you know what year these were made ? roland
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Other than the usual regarding the tang stamp, no...

Codger may have access to records that I don't, however. Perhaps he can help.

Glenn
 
Glenn, nice one! I don't recall ever seeing a Ted Williams spike, and now there are two!
Roland, the Ulster is actually a Sea Scout knife. they were the nautical arm of the Boy Scouts. I believe Ulster was the only company to make an official Scout knife specifically for them. The Cut.Co is bone, although I believe the Waldens were made with both bone and fibron, or whatever the cell-like material was that they were using at the time. I don't think it was delrin, but I could be wrong. It had a more dark maroon coloring to it rather than the brown shades of bone.

eric
 
First I have heard about a special run for Sea Scouts/Sea Explorers. The terms are interchangeable. Does make a lot of sense, though. Of course one of the best uses of a marlinespike is when splicing line, and both BSA orgs. do that. I can't see enough detail on the shield but it looks like a BSA fleur-de-lis. The Sea Scouts emblem is very similar but does have a few differences with ropework, anchor, etc. Not sure about dates on emblem changes though.
 
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