Schrade USA Pro Hunter PH2

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Anyone noticed there is a substantial influx of SCHRADE+ USA PH2 Pro Hunter fixed blade knives on the auction block? Pretty reasonable. I just noticed it today. A few 152 Sharpfinger patterns as well, with wooden handles, carbon blades, decent price. Wonder where these got unearthed from. :confused:
 
People needing holiday $$ and unloading knives they bought years ago on closeout? Could be a nice buying opportunity for anyone who doesn't already have those models.

I just picked up a Grand Dads Old Timer 152, the last one I needed from that series. The final price was $25 less than I expected. Either the market is well-supplied at the moment, or perhaps those GDOTs aren't in high demand since they lack the famous brown delrin. Who knows... Quite a few other GDOTs recently as well. And next month they'll be as rare as unicorns, and there'll be an abundance of something else.

A coincidence that that many of the 152 and PH2 knives I've seen lately have wood handles? Perhaps a cache of old stock blades have finally been assembled into knives? Many/most of the 152s have generic "152" or LTD stamps. At least they have "certificates of authenticity." ;)

I'd still bite if one caught my eye with an OT stamp. "A box does not an Old Timer make." :)
 
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What I want to know, when are the darned hoarders going to start dumping the 934 Primble Old Timers??? :confused:
 
Good point on the 152, the ones I see are not stamped + or the 152OT stamp, just 152. Final Run Certificates don't thrill me much either. :rolleyes:

Especially the bone Primble Old Timers, and they did make them... :thumbup:
 
thawk said:
Especially the bone Primble Old Timers, and they did make them... :thumbup:
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Oh no...

I wish there were more of the Old Timer Classics set from ~2004. I have all four, and each one is a beauty. Do wish they had either carbon steel or a higher end stainless though, then I'd actually buy one to use. :)
 
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Good point on the 152, the ones I see are not stamped + or the 152OT stamp, just 152. Final Run Certificates don't thrill me much either. :rolleyes:

Especially the bone Primble Old Timers, and they did make them... :thumbup:
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Is it possible that these were made for Taylor by one of the USA manufactures sometime after 2004. I don't recall seeing a wood handled 152 USA stamp without an LTD.
Of couse you could see a wooden handle 152 Uncle Henery sometime in the future.:confused:

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Rick - I know there are still Schrades being assembled with alternate handles, being represented as prototypes sometimes, and there are hordes of empty boxes still left over from the bankruptcy. I also recall buying a couple Sharpfingers in 2006 from a hardware store in the last blue Old Timer box with the 152 no OT or LTD stamp.
 
Per their website: In 2004, SMKW purchased over 1 million Work-in-Progress blades, along with finished goods, from the Schrade factory in Ellenville, New York. The blades of the knives in this ad are some of the last remaining from the original buyout. To offer them at special collector's pricing, we had the knives finished offshore. The blades may be tarnished due to storage but are still rare and highly sought after. Tang stamps may vary.
 
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Per their website: In 2004, SMKW purchased over 1 million Work-in-Progress blades, along with finished goods, from the Schrade factory in Ellenville, New York. The blades of the knives in this ad are some of the last remaining from the original buyout. To offer them at special collector's pricing, we had the knives finished offshore. The blades may be tarnished due to storage but are still rare and highly sought after. Tang stamps may vary.
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Well..that is interesting indeed.
 
Those same blades and knife parts also went to other distributors and dealers as well. There could be thousands of original 152 blades somewhere waiting to be fitted to handles. My impression, these walnut handled knives suddenly on the market are exactly that.

I also recall buying a couple Sharpfingers in 2006 from a hardware store in the last blue Old Timer box with the 152 no OT or LTD stamp.
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One of mine came in a caramel-brown box. It was received as a gift in or after 2004, but probably was purchased at a physical retail store. Another is in a wood-grain vintage Old Timer gift set. They both have the SCHRADE / USA 152 tang stamps.

My problem, I wouldn't mind having one of these recently-assembled walnut models, either as a "customized" or "end of days" Old Timer. But how to justify calling it an Old Timer without an OT tang stamp, shield, or handle? Thus my earlier comment, "a box does not an Old Timer make."

What's weird, my records show I do have a Sharpfinger with a 152OT tang stamp, but I'm starting to think it's a typo. Ughhh.
 
Well I guess my memory is not very good, I just dug up two Old Timer 152's and they are both marked Schrade U.S.A. 152
 
Yes, the PH-1 and 152 are exactly what someone else said. I was watching the SMKW show the night they showed them. Steve Koontz said they were USA blades they had in their warehouse that were sent to their Rough Rider factory(in China) to have the handles and brass guards(for ph-1) put on and finished. They even come in orignal USA Schrade boxes. Last week they did the same thing with USA stamped Uncle Henry fish fillet blades putting black paaka wood handles on them. The boxes the Ph-1's come in say walnut but I beleive the actual handles are brown paaka wood(also black). They actually have pretty good sheaths too. Not stamped Schrade but they are good thick leather. I've seen these all over ebay for $20.00 or $30.00 more than what they paid for them and on another site too where you can purchase Schrades.
 
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Keep an eye on some of those sellers, and you'll see more "Schrade USA" knives as time goes on.
 
I might mention as a point of interest that the SMKW show offered a brass Duck stamp with the purchase of the PH1, 152 or now the Uncle Henry fillet knife. This was not offered if bought from the store. These were I believe origmally for Ducks Unlimited sets. SMKW said they were part of what they picked up at the sale in 2004. Funny thing is you see these for sale by themselves on auction sites.I'm sure they got them from buying the knives I suppose they will even pick apart the boxes and sell them separately from the knifes. Shesh!
 
Small quantities of those and other components have been available on the auction site since shortly after the liquidation in '04. IIRC, SMKW and Blue Ridge split the haul of WIP.
 
Yes, and there has been quite a bit of that stuff farmed out to Ebay sellers in the Tennessee and Kentucky region too...
 
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I suppose they will even pick apart the boxes and sell them separately from the knifes. Shesh!
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Me hopes they do. I would grab a handful of correct 152OT boxes in a heartbeat, providing the price was reasonable, to store my collection of currently homeless sharpfingers.
 
I don't collect knives per se, I just have a number of hunting knives I have bought over the years looking for the perfect one. I recently bought a couple of Schrade PH2's for my grandsons for Christmas from Smokey Mountain Knife Works (SMKW) out of the unfinished stock they purchased and had finished off shore. I liked then so well I bought one for myself. Mine is mis-stamped and finished different than my present knives, even thought I bought them just 3 weeks apart. Every schrade knife I had from when they were still in business was stamped on one side of the blade with Schrade(with a register mark), model number, and USA. My grandsons are stamped like this, mine says Heritage, Scrade+, USA on one side, and HP2 (not PH2) on the other side of the tang. Their blades are tapered more than mine at the points. SMKW's ad says tang stampings may very, but I thought that all markings were stamped on the blanks first then the blanks were shaped and ground into blades, at least thats how it was shown on the TV show " How It's Made". Is SMKW passing counterfeit Schrades??
 
No, I don't believe they are seling counterfeit Schrades. When the factory closed and SMKW went up to the auction, they bought everthing that wasn't nailed down including work in progress. It's really hard to say what stampings were done in the final hurried days.
 
I got the distinct impression that little stamping was being done near the end. Most of the production workers were laid off at the beginning of July when the company went into recievership. A few were kept on and were perhaps augmented by some supervisors in order to assemble what they could from existing components in preparation for the auction at the end of October. "If it fits, assemble it", is how I remember it being referred to.

Some of the in-process blanks made it to ebay in the first years afterward. That is where blanks for the never released XT-4 showed up. They were tang stamped but unground. In fact I have a fair assortment of blanks and unfinished blades in every phase of finish shy of assembly.

The "H" blades were left over from an earlier run of Heritage edition PH2's. THe sharpfingers on eBay have a mixture of stamps including SCHRADE+ LTD, etc. They are just whatever was left over in bins and on skids when the auction was held.
 
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