Schrade Walden 804

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ptgramma

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Hi Guys
Looking for answers from the source of all knife knowledge.
Anything this ole gramma can find out about this knife is highly appreciated---I have a lot of Schrades but this one is new to me.
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It has Schrade over Walden overNY USA on the tang of the pen blade and 804 on the otherside of the same blade. I heard it could be from the late 50's?
Thank you
ptgramma
 
Hi Ptgramma: This particular knife pattern has actually been made from much earlier than the 50's. As a matter of fact it was made as the model #4 Mechanic's Knife, when the Company was known as Schrade Cutlery Co. from 1904 until 1946. After 1946, when the Company became Schrade Walden Cutlery Corporation (the era during which your knife was made), the number was changed to the #804, and they continued making it until the end of Schrade Walden in 1973. Its last suggested retail at that time was $7.50.
 
Thank you,
I had a reply that it was called a carpenters knife and evolved from the 8363 after 1946. But I have dates to go on, perhaps it was both?
here's one to chew on, It is a 8 OT with all the features of a stockman's knife, I find the thumb slot?(what do you call that) is made to strike matches on--at least that is what I was told. I am a complete novice striving to learn about the knife collecting. I must say everyone is so very willing to help me.

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Sorry I do not yet know how to resize photo's

Thank you
j.wiseman@comcast.net ptgramma
 
Welcome to the forum, ptgramma.

The 8OT has what are called "Matchstriker" nail "Pulls".......and were supposedly designed to strike the older style matches across. Without the scallops, it would be known as a "Long Pull" or French nail mark.

The first knife has what are known as nail "Marks" or "Nicks" or sometimes just "Short Pulls."

They were designed to be opened with the thumbnail or a small flat piece of metal (like a short tongue depresser, sort of) called a "Knife Pick."

Bill
 
The #8363 and the #4 were almost identical knives. There were only two very subtle differences. The bolsters of the #8363 were completely smooth, and the length of the knife was 3-9/16. It was one of the Schrade Cut. Co Knives that didn't evolve into Schrade Walden. The bolsters on the #4 had the one-line band around the bolster, and the length of the knife was 3-7/8. They were both 3-blade Serpentine knives.
 
I answered the question on the 804 why was it taken off ? I included two pics. Here is the answer I gave The 804 is called the carpenters knife it was made under the Schrade Walden tang from around 1946 prior to that it had another number ( which if memory serves was a 8363. )( actually when I looked it up it was 81004 which makes more sense) The tang marking for the early one was Schrade Cut Co. If your knife is in bone it was made prior to 1960, in jigged delrin it was made from the late 50tys into the 70 tys. Yours does not have Schrade Walden on the shield and looks rather like bone ( except for the even discoloration on the scale and flat uniform handle shape and uniform jigging which would make it delrin ). You could do the pin test ( sticking a hot pin in the back of the handle and seeing if it went in and what it smelled like. I have been doing it for 40 plus years and still do not do it right it was easier just to learn what they looked like. I am attaching a bad pic of two of these the one on the left is bone, right is delrin. Sorry about the pic I forgot to reset the focus and had put the knives away and could not do over. Still it should give you an idea. Your knife appears used these ( in the pics) are NEW OLD Stock. I also included a pic of a full box of the delrin version from the late 60 tys. The bone one is on the bottom left it may be a better pic. Also there is an original card which the employees of Schrade used to carry a full set of so that they knew which knife was which. These also are brand new old stock. Let me know if you need more info. LT. PS I just looked at your pic again definite delrin real late production in the 70tys. Nice later jigged delrin. Shame the bone version are much more sought after although with Schrade gone who knows. Hope this helps let me know if you need more info. ( NOTE under Schrade Walden the knife was called the mechanics knife I remembered the earlier name Carpenters knife.

This is the answer I received : Thank you so much, yes I can see the difference between the handles, and sadly mine is not bone. However your reply has anwered all the question I had thank you so much
ptgramma.

I cannot repost the pics however they are in the section containing my postings. So I do not know what happened however it does add confusion since the question was answered a couple of times. Perhapes I offended someone and got spanked?????
 
In order to clarify the 804 question I took a couple more pictures first is a pic of two catalogue listings for this knife the left is a Schrade Cut version pre 46 which is called a carpenters knife. On the right is a listing post 46 under the Schrade Walden tang called a mechanics knife. Also I retook a pic of the original Schrade Walden 6 pack and the employees Knife ID card which they carried to know which knife was which. I did not retake a pic of the bone Schrade Walden version since it is in the case ( see pic ) in the display and requires alot of work ( as you can also see ) to get to it and replace and reset everything. Also I felt it was not necessary since it was determined that the knife in question was delrin and the original pics can still ( I hope ) be accessed in my old postings file. By the way those knives in the case are all original Unused Schrade Waldens in jigged bone. ). Again UHFAN was correct in the later designation of mechanics knife, I being old still think of them under the earlier carpenter name. LT
 
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