Schrade-Walden 8OT~Celluloid Handles?

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Need an opinion on this one. I picked this knife up at an auction recently. When I bought it, I thought it had smooth brown bone handles. :) But, after a light cleaning I found what appears to be brown celluloid with copper colored metallic inclusions. It looks to me like it's factory original. There's shrinkage at the bolsters and a bit of curling on the ends. The Old Timer shield is perfectly inlayed as it should be. When I do a rub test to heat up the material, it definetly has a chemical smell. The primary blade is tang stamped "SCHRADE WALDEN N.Y. U.S.A.". The Walden is below the Schrade and the N.Y. U.S.A. is below the Walden. I couldn't find any reference to a celluloid handled OT in the books I have. Anyone know the scoop? Thanks
 
Not very common there. If I'm not mistaken that only makes the third one we've seen here. Calvin's in the link above, mine pictured below and now yours. Welldone!

Chuck

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Thanks! I thought I was doing pretty good if it had the brown bone handles (would still like to find one of those) but looks like this one may be a pretty cool find anyway. The chemical smell I get from the rub test isn't quite like celluloid, but similar. I wondered if it might be Bakelite, but didn't think Bakelite shrank (shrunk?) like this has. At any rate, with the link above, some of the questions I had were answered. With this many examples, it would appear that they are factory original and from the early 60's. Good stuff guys! Thanks for the help.
 
The gap on yours and Calvins looks minimal from what I can see. The gaps on this one are close to a 1/16" and the ends have a bit of a curl to 'em. Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled to think that it was made that way, but it seems a little too crude. On mine anyway, it looks pretty much like classic celluloid shrinkage.
 
I would have to pull it out and look to guess at the width of the gaps, but they are still somewhat pronounced. I do agree that yours do appear larger.

Chuck

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Yah, not quite as good of condition as the other 2 examples here. But still happy to add it to the collection. It's always fun to find one that's a bit out of the ordinary. Now if I can just luck out and stumble across one of those smooth brown bone 8OT's. LOL!
 
Here's the thing about Schrade at that period in time: Schrade Waldens were initially going to be a line a bone handled knives, but they were having a hard time aquiring bone since they didn't have a license for it in Ellenville. They decided to contract out to Rodgers, which I believe was in Rhode Island, or maybe Connecticut (can't recall at the moment) for the bone. Now the Schrade bone was dyed in a heated solution in large vats, basically "cooking" overnight. Rodgers didn't have the right equipment, so Schrade shipped a few of their tanks over to them. Well it just so happens that one of those vats caught fire one night, and wound up burning the whole plant down! Without a source for bone now, and with a desire to find something to take its place, the experimenting began, which is why you find so many odd handles from that period. There are even a few masonite handled 8OT's floating around somewhere, which according to Dave Swinden actually worked quite well. The above knives are likely one of those experiments, as was the swirl mahogany plastic, etc. Some took a while to exhibit shrinkage, some worked OK, but it was the timely advent of delrin that sealed the deal.

Eric
 
Eric, thank you. it's lovely bits of history like this story that make collecting so much more interesting.
And, what is "Masonite" ? (fiber board for behind wood heaters ?)
roland
 
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