Schrades under the bed??

waynorth

waynorth

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Have I become such a rabid Schrader that I suspect everything of being made in Ellenville??
I suspected this Primble, so bought it yesterday (cheap) but upon comparison with others including the one next to it, I believe it's not a Schrade. So who? What? Where?
Any opinions of who made it?
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Is there a model number on the Primble? 935 perhaps?

Why do you think that particular Primble wasn't made by Schrade?

Here's a Primble Old Timer, made by Schrade, same pattern and nail nick. Your's doesn't look much different, except the handle material.

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I'm not an expert, and would love to hear what the more experienced collectors think.

-Bob
 
Those bolsters almost look like Bokers
 
There is a model number on the back, quite large numbers on the tang 5371. The shape of the blade, the number of teeth in the matchstriker, the curve of the handle pattern; they all seem slightly different. I guess slightly is the operative word here. I'll keep on comparing it to others. Thanks for showing a pic in the same orientation Bob. It helps to compare!
 
Maybe I'll have to eat my words! The rivet locations are the same, and the slight profile differences can be from finishing/hafting. It smells like Ellenville the more I look at it!
I guess they had more than one blade die, and matchstrike die over the years.
I love these puzzles!
 
Thanks Codger. I wonder if Opal celluloid is anything like imitation pearl, which mine looks like?
 
Must be pearl "pyralin" (likely celluloid). It's a real good imitation!
BTW you are lucky to have time to find all this stuff! Or you are well organized! Thanks,
CC
 
If you look at a Boker USA pattern #9885, you will find that it matches the tooling and handle material on that John Primble stockman exactly. In my experience and observation Boker made about 90% of the post-WWII Primble knives, with the remainder by Schrade/Ulster/Kingston.
 
the number of teeth in the matchstriker
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Yep, I counted too. But even on known Schrade knives the numbers of teeth aren't always the same either. So it's not a difinitive diagnostic either way.

What intrigues me is the exact same pin locations and identical bolster ends.

If you look at a Boker USA pattern #9885, you will find that it matches the tooling and handle material on that John Primble stockman exactly.
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If you have a written reference for the Boker 9885, can you tell if the pins are an exact match to Waynorth's knife? And how 'bout the top grind on the spine of the blade (on the known Schrades the grind ends midway across the nail nick, but not on the Unknown).

-Bob
 
Records indicate that in 1959-1960, Schrade provided Belknap with the Ulster 99P as the Belknap number 5371NP. The same records also indicate that the Boker 9885 is also an Ulster pattern 99, thus Knifeaholic is also correct. This is an Ulster catalog cut from 1960-61.


Codger
 
waynorth said:
...BTW you are lucky to have time to find all this stuff! Or you are well organized! Thanks,
CC
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Organization helps. As does having friends who share resources. Check Larry's Schrades-R-Us website often. A lot of my resources are posted there for all to use.

Codger
 
So Ulster/Schrade made the Primble AND the Boker!?!?
That's a funny turn of events!!!
Everybody's right, and everybody's wrong! or something????
 
There is a lot of other names that can be added to the list. Buck for 1.
I think they all made something for the other.
;)
 
Both ways, Larry? Made for Buck, and made by Buck for others???
 
I dont know if Buck made anything for Schrade but I know Schade made a lot of Bucks early models.
Maybe a visit to the Buck board is in order. I think they still like us. :)
TTYL
Larry
 
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