scorpion vs surefire

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Brock

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Ok, I finally took some shots of some differnt lights that are about the same intensity. First we have a shot of Surefire D2 with a P61 lamp in it, then the same D2 with a P60 lamp, Streamlight Scoprion, Streamlight 4AA (pro polymer), UKE 2L, and then a Pelican Stealthlite 4AA.

The first four that used 123A's used the same new two batteries, and the 4 AA were also brand new and the same ones used in both lights.
http://www.uwgb.edu/nevermab/pic/123s.jpg

In the second shot it is just the Streamlight Scorpion of the left and the Surefire D2, with the P60 lamp on the right.
http://www.uwgb.edu/nevermab/pic/scorp-P60.jpg

Brock - http://www.uwgb.edu/nevermab/flash.htm
 
Brock,

This is one of the better ways to compare flashlights without actually having them side-by-side. Infact, the best I've seen so far!

Thanks!

I myself have a StealthLite 4AA, and knowing that it's both a very tight spot and yellower than a Lithium/Xenon based flashlight, I can judge that the rest of the photos are most likely to be accurate. With that assumption (basically I'm saying I trust that Brock hasn't cheated) I think that the SureFire P60 is brighter and whiter than the Scorpoin, and that the P61 lamp has a beam of larger size which is still brighter than the Scorpion.

Remembering that the Lumens rating is the amount of light, not the beam intensity, it makes sense to me. I would like to know how the CP's are measured, and which of the 2-DL123A flashlights has the most intense beam - based on brightness and white-ness per unit area of hotspot.

Thanks again Brock!!

Alastair

P.S.
The StreamLight 4AA and the UKE 2L seem to have bluer beams...
 
Thanks from me too Brock for that comparison. As I do not have the UKE 2L, 4AA Streamlight or Pelican, at least not yet, and so it is nice to see how they would compare to the lights I do own.

The first picture comparing all 6, from what I have seen from my M2 and Scorpion, is right on as far as brightness. The second picture though I think might unfairly represent the output of the Scorpion compared to the P60. The P60 definitely is brighter and has a brighter center, but as I have posted previously, really not by all that much. I think the picture may mislead some people who may be thinking about their first Scorpion/6P-type light. As we have discussed, the Scorpion is relatively close, but undeniably less bright than the P60 Surefire. Obviously pictures don't lie, but maybe the overall output of the two are closer together than that picture might lead one to believe. The Scorpion certainly provides more flood or peripheral light than the P60, even when optimally focussed, which may account for the difference in the picture. What did you think about the comparison picture of the two?

For me I take my Scorpion when I will need a light indoors, or outdoors but for relatively close-up lighting. I think that the P60 and Scorpion are so close that I have pretty much retired my P60 lamp. I either choose the Scorpion for its more flood-type beam pattern or the M2 with P61 for maximum output and much better long distance lighting in the woods or along trails.

Bucky
 
Oddly enough when I took the second image of the scorpion and the P60 at the same time, to my eyes they looked very close in intensity. I wonder if the makeup of the lamp gasses might have anything to do with how bright the camera takes the images. Also as Bucky mentioned since the scorpion is slightly wider it appears slightly dimmer also.

I have 3 Scorpions and only one surefire D2, about the same price 3 to 1
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I use the D2 at work since it has a clip and is easier to carry around and I like the switch a little bit better on the surefire. Otherwise I use the scorpion around the house, outside and keep them in the cars. I really like the ability to change from spot to flood with the scorpion. As a gift they are WAY cheaper, and again they are so close it isn't worth the difference in price for a gift. In my opinion they are both great lights.

Brock
 
I just added some lights to my comparison shot. The surefire 12PM, the UKE 2 AAA, and a good old 3 D cell mag, with its original lamp (soon to be a Carley, thanks again Walt!). It made since to add the 3 D mag for standard comparison. The shot is at
http://www.uwgb.edu/nevermab/led/flash1.jpg

Brock
 
Thanks Brock!

Which is the brightest?...hmmm let me see!!
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It seams that I should get some StreamLight 4AAs as they beat my StealthLight on whiteness. Pity. I've been a fan of Pelican StealthLights cos they're really tough, and have a nice tight beam.
Is the StreamLight 4AA as tough/tougher than the StealthLight?

Thanks again for the comparisions!

Alastair.

P.S. I'm interested in just how much brighter the super lamps make the 3D Mag... At them moment, I'd say it's one of the worst flashlights - in the same class as the UKE 2AAA!
 
It's interesting to note that some of these lights are NOT intended for use as "flashlights". Rather, they are for "tactical" use, that is to blind and disorient an adversary, as opposed to seeing where you're going.
As the picture reveals so well, if you want the ultimate in "tactical" performance, the SureFire model 12, regardless of handle configuration, is the hands down winner, equalled only by their weapons-mounted "500 Millenium", which is essentially the same thing, only with side by side battery packs and permanently weapon-mounted.

Do NOT "play a joke on a friend" and shine a model 12 or Millenium in their eyes, even in broad daylight. It might be construed as similar to shooting at them, or hitting them with a blunt object. When they regain their sight, they will NOT have funny rejoinders to share with you!

For a combination light, the model 9 works VERY well, being re-chargeable and having both a spot and low power spread beams. While I use mine for most tasks, I usually take my P61 lamped P6 when I venture out at night, "just in case". When my black dobie, who usually sticks pretty close, but occasionally follows his nose into bushes, sees the light spot looking for him, he knows he's gone a little too far, and returns, trotting up to me merrily and quizzically, looking as if to ask: What's up, Boss? Did you call me?" Naturally, I do NOT shine it directly into his eyes.

Yeah, I'm sold on sureFire. I've used them often at night in the desert, testing to see just how effective they CAN be when used to light things up for a long way. The model 12 illuminates a lot further than I can see!
Too bad the batteries go into thermal overload and shut down after 2 minutes. But those 2 minutes will allow you to locate and blind an adversary at night quite nicely, leaving him disoriented in the process. And no, he will NOT be able to locate and shoot you because of the light. It's SO bright, an attempt at that will leave him wondering where HE is, much less where YOU are.

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George
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